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		<title>By: offended</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/01/16/the-nation-and-the-tribes/#comment-478</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re wrong AIG, you will continue to &#039;enjoy&#039; the Golan until the majority of Israelis come to understand their own reality as it is, not as their corrupt politicians try to tell them it is. Or until Syria becomes strong enough to convince the israeli public that they couldn&#039;t afford to keep Golan without paying back with things as simple as their peace of mind and the peaceful future of the generations to come.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re wrong AIG, you will continue to &#8216;enjoy&#8217; the Golan until the majority of Israelis come to understand their own reality as it is, not as their corrupt politicians try to tell them it is. Or until Syria becomes strong enough to convince the israeli public that they couldn&#8217;t afford to keep Golan without paying back with things as simple as their peace of mind and the peaceful future of the generations to come.</p>
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		<title>By: AIG</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/01/16/the-nation-and-the-tribes/#comment-363</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AIG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Offended,

If you can&#039;t understand how hypocrtical and how unrelated to reality your answers are, nothing can help you. Continue living in your fantasy world. Meanwhile, we will enjoy the Golan until you stop speaking about being a liberal and actually start acting like one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offended,</p>
<p>If you can&#8217;t understand how hypocrtical and how unrelated to reality your answers are, nothing can help you. Continue living in your fantasy world. Meanwhile, we will enjoy the Golan until you stop speaking about being a liberal and actually start acting like one.</p>
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		<title>By: offended</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/01/16/the-nation-and-the-tribes/#comment-349</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[offended]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 05:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow…what a jerk.

AIG,

WTF is wrong with your puny brain? Did I not answer your questions? It’s you who doesn’t answer questions dude, so let me remind you of them:

1- What’s your vision for lasting pace in the region?
2- What do you think of the photo I’ve posted? (how do you explain it?)

That Syria is not strong enough to get the Golan through fighting is a temporary variable. Things might change in the future. Syria might become strong enough, who knows? And then more arab and muslim states might join hands....

I’d advise that then you don’t come to me asking for peace because you missed your chance now. 

But I do understand your desire to continue fighting; I mean full-time soldiers, defense contractors, propagandists and religious demagogues need the paycheck and good reasons to exist, don’t they? 

And let me make it clear to you again what I think about peace between Syria and Israel: if the Palestinian issues is not resolved once and for all (through a viable state, return or compensation of refugees, release of all detainees, dismantling of settlements ..etc..) then you might stick your peace where it fits. There is no point in having a pseudo peace when you’re still oppressing the Palestinians. 

I hope I made myself clear.

Now you can sod off, thank you kindly…; )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow…what a jerk.</p>
<p>AIG,</p>
<p>WTF is wrong with your puny brain? Did I not answer your questions? It’s you who doesn’t answer questions dude, so let me remind you of them:</p>
<p>1- What’s your vision for lasting pace in the region?<br />
2- What do you think of the photo I’ve posted? (how do you explain it?)</p>
<p>That Syria is not strong enough to get the Golan through fighting is a temporary variable. Things might change in the future. Syria might become strong enough, who knows? And then more arab and muslim states might join hands&#8230;.</p>
<p>I’d advise that then you don’t come to me asking for peace because you missed your chance now. </p>
<p>But I do understand your desire to continue fighting; I mean full-time soldiers, defense contractors, propagandists and religious demagogues need the paycheck and good reasons to exist, don’t they? </p>
<p>And let me make it clear to you again what I think about peace between Syria and Israel: if the Palestinian issues is not resolved once and for all (through a viable state, return or compensation of refugees, release of all detainees, dismantling of settlements ..etc..) then you might stick your peace where it fits. There is no point in having a pseudo peace when you’re still oppressing the Palestinians. </p>
<p>I hope I made myself clear.</p>
<p>Now you can sod off, thank you kindly…; )</p>
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		<title>By: AIG</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/01/16/the-nation-and-the-tribes/#comment-341</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AIG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Offended,
As usual, something is wrong with me. Maybe something is wrong with you? Maybe you do not like being challenged by good argumentation? Maybe it is difficult for you to be honest with yourself? 

Look, I represent the views of the majority in Israel. If you want a chance at peace you better be able to answer these questions. It is much easier for the stronger side to tell the weaker side to sod off. But it is YOU who wants an agreement based on discussion and not based on the strength of the parties on the ground. Do you think you are achieving that when you tell me to &quot;sod off&quot;?

Here is a &quot;sod off&quot; argument for you. The Golan will remain forever in Israeli hands because Syria is too weak to reclaim it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offended,<br />
As usual, something is wrong with me. Maybe something is wrong with you? Maybe you do not like being challenged by good argumentation? Maybe it is difficult for you to be honest with yourself? </p>
<p>Look, I represent the views of the majority in Israel. If you want a chance at peace you better be able to answer these questions. It is much easier for the stronger side to tell the weaker side to sod off. But it is YOU who wants an agreement based on discussion and not based on the strength of the parties on the ground. Do you think you are achieving that when you tell me to &#8220;sod off&#8221;?</p>
<p>Here is a &#8220;sod off&#8221; argument for you. The Golan will remain forever in Israeli hands because Syria is too weak to reclaim it.</p>
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		<title>By: offended</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/01/16/the-nation-and-the-tribes/#comment-337</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[offended]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 06:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shai,
You’re right. They should talk to Hamas too. But is it America’s responsibility to reconcile Fateh and Hamas as well? Ideally, it should not be difficult for Obama to pressure Abbas to sit with Hamas and agree on some sort of unity or concerted action. But in reality, it was already ‘hard’ for America to manage with the Palestinians when they had one address. Now I don’t really know what’s going to happen or how long it will proceed before the process gets to a complete halt again and everybody starts blaming everybody...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shai,<br />
You’re right. They should talk to Hamas too. But is it America’s responsibility to reconcile Fateh and Hamas as well? Ideally, it should not be difficult for Obama to pressure Abbas to sit with Hamas and agree on some sort of unity or concerted action. But in reality, it was already ‘hard’ for America to manage with the Palestinians when they had one address. Now I don’t really know what’s going to happen or how long it will proceed before the process gets to a complete halt again and everybody starts blaming everybody&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: offended</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/01/16/the-nation-and-the-tribes/#comment-336</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[offended]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 06:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[^^^
Meant to say &#039;sod off&#039;

that what happenes when you self-censor your nasty words.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^^<br />
Meant to say &#8216;sod off&#8217;</p>
<p>that what happenes when you self-censor your nasty words.</p>
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		<title>By: offended</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/01/16/the-nation-and-the-tribes/#comment-335</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[offended]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 06:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AIG, WTF is wrong with you? You asked a question and I answered. If you’re predetermined not to believe then what can I do for you?

Just do off will you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AIG, WTF is wrong with you? You asked a question and I answered. If you’re predetermined not to believe then what can I do for you?</p>
<p>Just do off will you?</p>
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		<title>By: AIG</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/01/16/the-nation-and-the-tribes/#comment-332</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AIG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Offended,
It is actions that speak loud, not words. Your only actions are against Israel. You go to vigils, complain and post only when an Arab right is violated by Israel.

It is a fact that you are doing nothing to replace or change the Asad regime. Look at your answer to the issue of a memorial to the Hama massacre. You accept this fact and explain it away by saying that it is inconvenient for the current regime. What if Israel tried to hide a crime because it was inconvenient for Israel? Would you just accept that as something inevitable or would you get angry and rile against it? You do not seem angry at all at Asad for this vile conduct.

My simple question to you is why you hold yourself and your country to such a low standard relative to Israel? If you are a liberal, then be a true liberal, who first and foremost look at themselves and their own countries and try to make them better. You give Syria a pass on all issues and take issue with anything Israel does. You are the exact opposite of Shai who takes umbrage only of what Israel does and not of what Syria does. At least one of you is completely mistaken in his approach but most likely both of you are.

Lead by example, fix your own home first and then complain about Israel. If I see the you are happy with Asad in the sense that you do nothing to change thigs, why should I believe that you are truly a liberal and care about human rights?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offended,<br />
It is actions that speak loud, not words. Your only actions are against Israel. You go to vigils, complain and post only when an Arab right is violated by Israel.</p>
<p>It is a fact that you are doing nothing to replace or change the Asad regime. Look at your answer to the issue of a memorial to the Hama massacre. You accept this fact and explain it away by saying that it is inconvenient for the current regime. What if Israel tried to hide a crime because it was inconvenient for Israel? Would you just accept that as something inevitable or would you get angry and rile against it? You do not seem angry at all at Asad for this vile conduct.</p>
<p>My simple question to you is why you hold yourself and your country to such a low standard relative to Israel? If you are a liberal, then be a true liberal, who first and foremost look at themselves and their own countries and try to make them better. You give Syria a pass on all issues and take issue with anything Israel does. You are the exact opposite of Shai who takes umbrage only of what Israel does and not of what Syria does. At least one of you is completely mistaken in his approach but most likely both of you are.</p>
<p>Lead by example, fix your own home first and then complain about Israel. If I see the you are happy with Asad in the sense that you do nothing to change thigs, why should I believe that you are truly a liberal and care about human rights?</p>
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		<title>By: Shai</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/01/16/the-nation-and-the-tribes/#comment-330</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 21:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Offended,

I completely agree with you.  I was just wondering what was happening with the people in the West Bank (more so than with Fatah itself) - why have we not seen overwhelming support for their brothers and sisters in Gaza?  In fact, why have they not taken this opportunity to demand an immediate &quot;reunification&quot; between Fatah and Hamas?  And I do agree that with all likelihood, Hamas only got stronger, not weaker.

Funny that you mentioned Bargouti.  I&#039;ve been pushing hard to get certain people to consider the potential for Bargouti to become the next &quot;Arafat&quot;.  And, thankfully, I did manage to convince a number of people of this.  There are some high-level officials and politicians, also ex-Likud ones (believe it or not), that are seriously considering advocating his release, with the hope of achieving precisely that.  Yes, the &quot;rug&quot; needs to be taken from under their feet.  But until that happens, we should recognize them, as full partners to our conflict, and hence to its possible solution.

I could never understand those who think we should only talk to &quot;nice enemies&quot;...  Or ones that &quot;don&#039;t have blood on their hands...&quot;  I guess they&#039;re the &quot;sterile enemies&quot;, the ones you could use to wipe your baby&#039;s bottom with, but not much beyond that.  But it goes both ways.  And Hamas can&#039;t always get an Uri Avneri to negotiate with.  They too will have to sit with someone closer to Netanyahu&#039;s views, than to Avneri&#039;s.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offended,</p>
<p>I completely agree with you.  I was just wondering what was happening with the people in the West Bank (more so than with Fatah itself) &#8211; why have we not seen overwhelming support for their brothers and sisters in Gaza?  In fact, why have they not taken this opportunity to demand an immediate &#8220;reunification&#8221; between Fatah and Hamas?  And I do agree that with all likelihood, Hamas only got stronger, not weaker.</p>
<p>Funny that you mentioned Bargouti.  I&#8217;ve been pushing hard to get certain people to consider the potential for Bargouti to become the next &#8220;Arafat&#8221;.  And, thankfully, I did manage to convince a number of people of this.  There are some high-level officials and politicians, also ex-Likud ones (believe it or not), that are seriously considering advocating his release, with the hope of achieving precisely that.  Yes, the &#8220;rug&#8221; needs to be taken from under their feet.  But until that happens, we should recognize them, as full partners to our conflict, and hence to its possible solution.</p>
<p>I could never understand those who think we should only talk to &#8220;nice enemies&#8221;&#8230;  Or ones that &#8220;don&#8217;t have blood on their hands&#8230;&#8221;  I guess they&#8217;re the &#8220;sterile enemies&#8221;, the ones you could use to wipe your baby&#8217;s bottom with, but not much beyond that.  But it goes both ways.  And Hamas can&#8217;t always get an Uri Avneri to negotiate with.  They too will have to sit with someone closer to Netanyahu&#8217;s views, than to Avneri&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: offended</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/01/16/the-nation-and-the-tribes/#comment-329</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shai,
I think the rift between Fateh and Hamas is very unfortunate. If we&#039;re to believe the Vanity Fair article (published few month ago as a result of an investigation of the joint Fateh, Egypt, US conspiracy to remove Hamas), then Egypt and the US are to blame too.

I&#039;ve just heard that Obama&#039;s first call to a leader of another country was to Abbas, little do they know Abbas term as a president has expired already. However, I wish Abbas would sieze the opportuinity and reconcile with Hamas NOW itself. If you&#039;re getting the support of the mightest man on earth then you might as well seek to reconnect with your people. It&#039;s unfortunate, really. Something similar to Doha style pressure should be applied to Hamas vs. Fateh to get them to talk to each other and move along competing in the Palestinian political arena (like it was done with the Lebanese squabbling factions/parties).

And no Shai, honestly, from what I&#039;ve heard and read of Palestinian reactions, Palestinian people will never drop their support of Hamas just because of the recent events. In fact, this support might grow stronger now. I&#039;d imagine that such a movement which grew under the heavy clamps of the occupation would weather and survive the military hit. I have no illusion about &#039;victory&#039;. But the people there on the forefront of suffering have different metrics to mine. I am 100% sure that the only way to undermine Hamas is to remove the rug from underneath their feet. i.e. remove the very reasons they existed as a resistance movement to begin with. when there&#039;s nothing to resist, as far as the majority of the Palestinian people are concerned, they&#039;d end up being just another islamic party competing with equally appealing (or probably more appealing to some) secular and leftist parties.

Oh yes, a prerequisite to all the above is that Fateh should reform too. And the first move to reform Fateh would be to terminate Dahlan&#039;s services and somehow get Al Barguthi out of prison. Fateh needs fresh, patriotic, and &#039;clean&#039; faces. Abbas&#039;s image expired long time before his term did...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shai,<br />
I think the rift between Fateh and Hamas is very unfortunate. If we&#8217;re to believe the Vanity Fair article (published few month ago as a result of an investigation of the joint Fateh, Egypt, US conspiracy to remove Hamas), then Egypt and the US are to blame too.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just heard that Obama&#8217;s first call to a leader of another country was to Abbas, little do they know Abbas term as a president has expired already. However, I wish Abbas would sieze the opportuinity and reconcile with Hamas NOW itself. If you&#8217;re getting the support of the mightest man on earth then you might as well seek to reconnect with your people. It&#8217;s unfortunate, really. Something similar to Doha style pressure should be applied to Hamas vs. Fateh to get them to talk to each other and move along competing in the Palestinian political arena (like it was done with the Lebanese squabbling factions/parties).</p>
<p>And no Shai, honestly, from what I&#8217;ve heard and read of Palestinian reactions, Palestinian people will never drop their support of Hamas just because of the recent events. In fact, this support might grow stronger now. I&#8217;d imagine that such a movement which grew under the heavy clamps of the occupation would weather and survive the military hit. I have no illusion about &#8216;victory&#8217;. But the people there on the forefront of suffering have different metrics to mine. I am 100% sure that the only way to undermine Hamas is to remove the rug from underneath their feet. i.e. remove the very reasons they existed as a resistance movement to begin with. when there&#8217;s nothing to resist, as far as the majority of the Palestinian people are concerned, they&#8217;d end up being just another islamic party competing with equally appealing (or probably more appealing to some) secular and leftist parties.</p>
<p>Oh yes, a prerequisite to all the above is that Fateh should reform too. And the first move to reform Fateh would be to terminate Dahlan&#8217;s services and somehow get Al Barguthi out of prison. Fateh needs fresh, patriotic, and &#8216;clean&#8217; faces. Abbas&#8217;s image expired long time before his term did&#8230;</p>
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