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		<title>By: mj</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/06/09/post-election-notes/#comment-2933</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also find that QN has the best “La vache qui fume” I’ve ever seen. Maybe one day we’ll know everything about the header on this blog…
But if his popularity keeps growing at the pace it is now,a cow won’t do it. We’ll have to send him an EYE and a big FISH to protect his star, or may somebody start saying nasty things about QN, now, please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also find that QN has the best “La vache qui fume” I’ve ever seen. Maybe one day we’ll know everything about the header on this blog…<br />
But if his popularity keeps growing at the pace it is now,a cow won’t do it. We’ll have to send him an EYE and a big FISH to protect his star, or may somebody start saying nasty things about QN, now, please.</p>
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		<title>By: mj</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/06/09/post-election-notes/#comment-2932</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the other hand, the ideas I expressed in my conversation with you come more from a matter of principle than anything else. As I told you, I am in no position of pontificating about Lebanese politics. But I would LOVE to have a clear take on this popularity metrics brouhaha from our recently appointed candidate to be Minister of Youth and various other fields to which I will add Hard Work, Intellectual Honesty and Beautiful Left Hand.

 (He also has the best &quot;La vache qui fume&quot; I&#039;ve ever seen. Maybe one day we&#039;ll know everything about the header on this blog...
But if his popularity keeps growing at the pace it is now,a cow won&#039;t do it.  We’ll have to send him an EYE and a big FISH to protect his star, or may somebody start saying nasty things about QN, now, please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the other hand, the ideas I expressed in my conversation with you come more from a matter of principle than anything else. As I told you, I am in no position of pontificating about Lebanese politics. But I would LOVE to have a clear take on this popularity metrics brouhaha from our recently appointed candidate to be Minister of Youth and various other fields to which I will add Hard Work, Intellectual Honesty and Beautiful Left Hand.</p>
<p> (He also has the best &#8220;La vache qui fume&#8221; I&#8217;ve ever seen. Maybe one day we&#8217;ll know everything about the header on this blog&#8230;<br />
But if his popularity keeps growing at the pace it is now,a cow won&#8217;t do it.  We’ll have to send him an EYE and a big FISH to protect his star, or may somebody start saying nasty things about QN, now, please.</p>
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		<title>By: mj</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/06/09/post-election-notes/#comment-2931</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Rotsapsky, I usually prefer to ask questions than to answer them in this blog. For, even in the case my shaky knowledge of  the Lebanese system allowed me to give you definite answers (which it doesn’t), my poor English wouldn’t allow me to do it in the way you certainly deserve. But I think some light is being shed in other sites, which I recommend you to take a look at:

http://besidebeirut.wordpress.com/, Ms Tee’s watchtower.

On the other hand, the ideas I expressed in my conversation with you come more from a matter of principle than anything else. As I told you, I am in no position of pontificating about Lebanese politics. But I would LOVE to have a clear take on this popularity metrics brouhaha from our recently appointed candidate to be Minister of Youth and various other fields to which I will add Hard Work, Intellectual Honesty and Beautiful Left Hand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Rotsapsky, I usually prefer to ask questions than to answer them in this blog. For, even in the case my shaky knowledge of  the Lebanese system allowed me to give you definite answers (which it doesn’t), my poor English wouldn’t allow me to do it in the way you certainly deserve. But I think some light is being shed in other sites, which I recommend you to take a look at:</p>
<p><a href="http://besidebeirut.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://besidebeirut.wordpress.com/</a>, Ms Tee’s watchtower.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the ideas I expressed in my conversation with you come more from a matter of principle than anything else. As I told you, I am in no position of pontificating about Lebanese politics. But I would LOVE to have a clear take on this popularity metrics brouhaha from our recently appointed candidate to be Minister of Youth and various other fields to which I will add Hard Work, Intellectual Honesty and Beautiful Left Hand.</p>
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		<title>By: RedLeb</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/06/09/post-election-notes/#comment-2930</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 07:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maverick,
Textbook Pro-M8 would be a lot more righteous about the fight in the mountains. I&#039;ve already said it was problematic and disproportionate. The problem is that there were no live news feeds during it. I have my share of sources in the mountains and the narratives were too partisan to take at face value. I&#039;ve heard multiple stories of who called who asking for mercy. There was a lot of bravado on both sides.

But you said that two Hizballah members were killed, that a Shiekh was handing over his gun to the army, and that there were &#039;200 people under the knife&#039;. That doesn&#039;t sound like unarmed civilians to me. One point I am trying to make is that it was a battle between rival gunmen, not a rampage among defenceless neighbourhoods.

Of course there was a build up before May 7. Both sides were getting armed. It was the talk of the town and in all the news papers. But this is something the Pro-M14 narrative refuses to admit. You insist on seeing it as an attack by a militia against civilians, but still boast of holding 200 of these armed and dangerous gunmen under the knife.

As for the factual items: I do remember the attack on the funeral procession, instigated by a store owner as the procession walked by his store. He ran off but was soon apprehended and turned over to the army. It was not planned or condoned by any side.

M8 gunmen were holding lots of people, disarming them, and handing them over to the army. Its how they disarmed the other side. That is not horrific. Halba was a horrific act.

I&#039;m also aware it was not about the Angles of Light vs. the Demons of Darkness. I&#039;m sure there were cases of harassment, abuse, and revenge killing by M8 gunmen. But those were not the battle orders. If they were, the death toll would have been much higher.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maverick,<br />
Textbook Pro-M8 would be a lot more righteous about the fight in the mountains. I&#8217;ve already said it was problematic and disproportionate. The problem is that there were no live news feeds during it. I have my share of sources in the mountains and the narratives were too partisan to take at face value. I&#8217;ve heard multiple stories of who called who asking for mercy. There was a lot of bravado on both sides.</p>
<p>But you said that two Hizballah members were killed, that a Shiekh was handing over his gun to the army, and that there were &#8217;200 people under the knife&#8217;. That doesn&#8217;t sound like unarmed civilians to me. One point I am trying to make is that it was a battle between rival gunmen, not a rampage among defenceless neighbourhoods.</p>
<p>Of course there was a build up before May 7. Both sides were getting armed. It was the talk of the town and in all the news papers. But this is something the Pro-M14 narrative refuses to admit. You insist on seeing it as an attack by a militia against civilians, but still boast of holding 200 of these armed and dangerous gunmen under the knife.</p>
<p>As for the factual items: I do remember the attack on the funeral procession, instigated by a store owner as the procession walked by his store. He ran off but was soon apprehended and turned over to the army. It was not planned or condoned by any side.</p>
<p>M8 gunmen were holding lots of people, disarming them, and handing them over to the army. Its how they disarmed the other side. That is not horrific. Halba was a horrific act.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also aware it was not about the Angles of Light vs. the Demons of Darkness. I&#8217;m sure there were cases of harassment, abuse, and revenge killing by M8 gunmen. But those were not the battle orders. If they were, the death toll would have been much higher.</p>
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		<title>By: Abraham Rotsapsky</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/06/09/post-election-notes/#comment-2929</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 06:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mj,

You write &quot;I remind you once more that the actual election law was considered a gift given by Hezbollah to Tayyar.&quot;

Interesting. Why did Hezbollah agree to such a crummy arrangement? Were these districts the best they could get? There is no reason the mandated sectarian distribution requires that heavily Muslim areas have more voters per representative.

Oh, and Syndeysider, while I have no love for people who use the &quot;Phoenician&quot; appellation to distinguish themselves from and act superior toward Arabs, as an archaeologist&#039;s son I am thrilled that there are people in the world who identify with a lost and ancient civilization. Especially one renowned for trade as opposed to war (Hannibal excepted). If only we still had some Etruscans, or Hittites.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mj,</p>
<p>You write &#8220;I remind you once more that the actual election law was considered a gift given by Hezbollah to Tayyar.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting. Why did Hezbollah agree to such a crummy arrangement? Were these districts the best they could get? There is no reason the mandated sectarian distribution requires that heavily Muslim areas have more voters per representative.</p>
<p>Oh, and Syndeysider, while I have no love for people who use the &#8220;Phoenician&#8221; appellation to distinguish themselves from and act superior toward Arabs, as an archaeologist&#8217;s son I am thrilled that there are people in the world who identify with a lost and ancient civilization. Especially one renowned for trade as opposed to war (Hannibal excepted). If only we still had some Etruscans, or Hittites.</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/06/09/post-election-notes/#comment-2927</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ms. Sydneysider sorry for the gender mix up. 
You say:
&quot;I also think that the academic elite a la Paul Salem forget that Hizbullah recognises, perhaps more so than any other party, Lebanon’s highly pluralist and multiconfessional nature. I find it very interesting that the party that is represented as the most stanchly sectarian is also the one party that is most engaged in a political rhetoric that embraces Lebanon’s pluralism and the need for national consensus&quot;
Somehow I interpret the above statements as defense of Hezbollah. Other than political rhetoric can you explain how exactly Hezbollah embraces pluralism and national consensus? Was it when they stormed Beirut? Or when they organized a sit in that paralyzed the country for a year or so, or was it when they launched a military assault on Israel with total disregard to consequences or consensus.
One should perhaps understand more the inside workings of an organization like Hezbollah and not the rhetorical speeches, I doubt you are aware of the totalitarian and oppressive measures they exercise over the areas they control, and certainly you need to understand more their involvement in terrorism and its detrimental effect on Lebanon.

 It is evident the danger of Hezbollah on the Republic of Lebanon far exceeds that of a “Maronite ideology which still sees itself as culturally and biologically linked to the 4000 year old ancient civilisation of the Phoenicians”. 

Whether we like it or not those “Phoenician Maronites&quot; are the reason Lebanon is so special and unique in a neighborhood of let’s say unforgiving ideologies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Sydneysider sorry for the gender mix up.<br />
You say:<br />
&#8220;I also think that the academic elite a la Paul Salem forget that Hizbullah recognises, perhaps more so than any other party, Lebanon’s highly pluralist and multiconfessional nature. I find it very interesting that the party that is represented as the most stanchly sectarian is also the one party that is most engaged in a political rhetoric that embraces Lebanon’s pluralism and the need for national consensus&#8221;<br />
Somehow I interpret the above statements as defense of Hezbollah. Other than political rhetoric can you explain how exactly Hezbollah embraces pluralism and national consensus? Was it when they stormed Beirut? Or when they organized a sit in that paralyzed the country for a year or so, or was it when they launched a military assault on Israel with total disregard to consequences or consensus.<br />
One should perhaps understand more the inside workings of an organization like Hezbollah and not the rhetorical speeches, I doubt you are aware of the totalitarian and oppressive measures they exercise over the areas they control, and certainly you need to understand more their involvement in terrorism and its detrimental effect on Lebanon.</p>
<p> It is evident the danger of Hezbollah on the Republic of Lebanon far exceeds that of a “Maronite ideology which still sees itself as culturally and biologically linked to the 4000 year old ancient civilisation of the Phoenicians”. </p>
<p>Whether we like it or not those “Phoenician Maronites&#8221; are the reason Lebanon is so special and unique in a neighborhood of let’s say unforgiving ideologies.</p>
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		<title>By: the Sydneysider</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/06/09/post-election-notes/#comment-2926</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[the Sydneysider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[V - 
Firstly, I&#039;m a female.

And secondly, if you bothered to read my post correctly, you would see that I did not defend Hizbullah, and am well aware of their sectarian limits.  But I am also aware of their reconstructed sense of self, and how they see a need to fit into the larger mosiac that is Lebanon.  What have the LF and Phalangists done, internally, to rethink their own racist values.   

I live in Australia but if I lived in Lebanon or Pakistan or India or KSA I would no less value democracy.  Hizbullah does not represent a deconstruction of or attack on &#039;democracy&#039; than any other party that is involved in Lebanon’s complicated political system.  Your linking of these two ideas is a complete furfy.

Evidently you know nothing about Hizbullah&#039;s ideologies which, many would describe, as being engaged in a modern discourse and modern challenges, rather than medieval ones.  But your own prejudices would never allow you to access that party without seeing it as an offensive and dated entity.

Perhaps you could also address why it is the two main Maronite parties in M14 that continue to present themselves and their community as &#039;special&#039; and above the Arabs and Muslims that surround them. If Hizbullah is medieval, as you claim, in its outlook, then what can you say about a sub-discourse in Maronite ideology which still sees itself as culturally and biologically linked to the 4000 year old ancient civilisation of the Phoenicians?  One does not need to accept the Shia party in order to engage in a critical disposition regarding the LF and the Phalange.  Please don&#039;t represent me as doing so because I am not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>V &#8211;<br />
Firstly, I&#8217;m a female.</p>
<p>And secondly, if you bothered to read my post correctly, you would see that I did not defend Hizbullah, and am well aware of their sectarian limits.  But I am also aware of their reconstructed sense of self, and how they see a need to fit into the larger mosiac that is Lebanon.  What have the LF and Phalangists done, internally, to rethink their own racist values.   </p>
<p>I live in Australia but if I lived in Lebanon or Pakistan or India or KSA I would no less value democracy.  Hizbullah does not represent a deconstruction of or attack on &#8216;democracy&#8217; than any other party that is involved in Lebanon’s complicated political system.  Your linking of these two ideas is a complete furfy.</p>
<p>Evidently you know nothing about Hizbullah&#8217;s ideologies which, many would describe, as being engaged in a modern discourse and modern challenges, rather than medieval ones.  But your own prejudices would never allow you to access that party without seeing it as an offensive and dated entity.</p>
<p>Perhaps you could also address why it is the two main Maronite parties in M14 that continue to present themselves and their community as &#8216;special&#8217; and above the Arabs and Muslims that surround them. If Hizbullah is medieval, as you claim, in its outlook, then what can you say about a sub-discourse in Maronite ideology which still sees itself as culturally and biologically linked to the 4000 year old ancient civilisation of the Phoenicians?  One does not need to accept the Shia party in order to engage in a critical disposition regarding the LF and the Phalange.  Please don&#8217;t represent me as doing so because I am not.</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/06/09/post-election-notes/#comment-2925</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 02:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don’t worry Sydneysider man there is enough elitist intellectuals in the Arab world arguing on the side of the leftover leftists, dictators or Islamic fundamentalist nihilists 
What I don’t understand is people who live in the west and enjoys all what the west has to offer like democracy, freedom of speech etc.  Yet they turn around and defend medieval ideologies such as that of Hezbollah!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t worry Sydneysider man there is enough elitist intellectuals in the Arab world arguing on the side of the leftover leftists, dictators or Islamic fundamentalist nihilists<br />
What I don’t understand is people who live in the west and enjoys all what the west has to offer like democracy, freedom of speech etc.  Yet they turn around and defend medieval ideologies such as that of Hezbollah!!</p>
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		<title>By: the Sydneysider</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/06/09/post-election-notes/#comment-2924</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[the Sydneysider]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seriously, what kind of a misguided gronk is Paul Salem? Read his latest in the Daily Star: &quot;The March 14 coalition&#039;s victory is good news for Lebanon and the region, ensuring good relations with Lebanon&#039;s Arab and Western friends, and constituting a quiet triumph for moderation and pragmatism over extremism and confrontation. It is also good news for the Obama administration, which had feared a regional setback soon after Obama&#039;s historic address in Cairo on June 4.&quot;
Because the Lebanese should care about what Obama&#039;s &#039;triumph&#039; and the &#039;moderate&#039; M14, when M14s economic policies have done nothing but further impoverish the Lebanese.  Both sides would have courted East and West, both sides would have maintained the sectarian system that is strangling Lebanon, but I don&#039;t think both sides would have maintained the neo-liberalist (or fascist capitalist as a friend put it) economic agenda that PM Sinoyra has.  

I also think that the academic elite a la Paul Salem forget that Hizbullah recognises, perhaps more so than any other party, Lebanon&#039;s highly pluralist and multiconfessional nature.  I find it very interesting that the party that is represented as the most stanchly sectarian is also the one party that is most engaged in a political rhetoric that embraces Lebanon’s pluralism and the need for national consensus.  

M14&#039;s victory is also the victory of the LF and Phalangists.  Why is it that the elite of Lebanon are so offended and distressed by Hizbullah, and the very undiplomatic Aoun, (perhaps a result of their constituents lower socioeconomic status and their not so western-dressed followers) but have nothing to say about the racism that is an inherent feature of the LF and Phalangists agenda?  The philosophy that underpins these right wing, quasi-fascist parties has hardly been reconstructed since the 1980s and yet not a word of caution from our elitist political commentators.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, what kind of a misguided gronk is Paul Salem? Read his latest in the Daily Star: &#8220;The March 14 coalition&#8217;s victory is good news for Lebanon and the region, ensuring good relations with Lebanon&#8217;s Arab and Western friends, and constituting a quiet triumph for moderation and pragmatism over extremism and confrontation. It is also good news for the Obama administration, which had feared a regional setback soon after Obama&#8217;s historic address in Cairo on June 4.&#8221;<br />
Because the Lebanese should care about what Obama&#8217;s &#8216;triumph&#8217; and the &#8216;moderate&#8217; M14, when M14s economic policies have done nothing but further impoverish the Lebanese.  Both sides would have courted East and West, both sides would have maintained the sectarian system that is strangling Lebanon, but I don&#8217;t think both sides would have maintained the neo-liberalist (or fascist capitalist as a friend put it) economic agenda that PM Sinoyra has.  </p>
<p>I also think that the academic elite a la Paul Salem forget that Hizbullah recognises, perhaps more so than any other party, Lebanon&#8217;s highly pluralist and multiconfessional nature.  I find it very interesting that the party that is represented as the most stanchly sectarian is also the one party that is most engaged in a political rhetoric that embraces Lebanon’s pluralism and the need for national consensus.  </p>
<p>M14&#8242;s victory is also the victory of the LF and Phalangists.  Why is it that the elite of Lebanon are so offended and distressed by Hizbullah, and the very undiplomatic Aoun, (perhaps a result of their constituents lower socioeconomic status and their not so western-dressed followers) but have nothing to say about the racism that is an inherent feature of the LF and Phalangists agenda?  The philosophy that underpins these right wing, quasi-fascist parties has hardly been reconstructed since the 1980s and yet not a word of caution from our elitist political commentators.</p>
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		<title>By: majid</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/06/09/post-election-notes/#comment-2922</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Abraham Rotsapsky,

Please see comment 3 &lt;a href=&quot;http://joshualandis.com/blog/?p=3263&amp;cp=all#comment-228615&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;

The commenter has debunked in this comment the whole basis upon which this so-called study is based.  His argument clearly shows that whoever conducted this study (obviously from Hezb camp) had the intended purpose of skewing the results in order to none other than rallying troops after a loss as I have been saying all along.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abraham Rotsapsky,</p>
<p>Please see comment 3 <a href="http://joshualandis.com/blog/?p=3263&amp;cp=all#comment-228615" rel="nofollow">here</a></p>
<p>The commenter has debunked in this comment the whole basis upon which this so-called study is based.  His argument clearly shows that whoever conducted this study (obviously from Hezb camp) had the intended purpose of skewing the results in order to none other than rallying troops after a loss as I have been saying all along.</p>
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