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		<title>By: The Future of Palestinian Refugees in Lebanon &#171; Qifa Nabki &#124; A Lebanese Political Blog</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/11/19/naturalizing-the-palestinians/#comment-9861</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Future of Palestinian Refugees in Lebanon &#171; Qifa Nabki &#124; A Lebanese Political Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 01:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] those of you interested in both the situation of the Palestinians in Lebanon (see my thoughts here) as well as the refugee issue and the right of return, I highly recommend that you watch the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] those of you interested in both the situation of the Palestinians in Lebanon (see my thoughts here) as well as the refugee issue and the right of return, I highly recommend that you watch the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Abolishing Political Sectarianism in Lebanon &#171; Qifa Nabki</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/11/19/naturalizing-the-palestinians/#comment-5991</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abolishing Political Sectarianism in Lebanon &#171; Qifa Nabki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Agenda poll that we held here a few weeks ago, I think that the time is ripe to launch another 183-comment debate, wouldn&#8217;t you say? Here are the main issues, as I see [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Agenda poll that we held here a few weeks ago, I think that the time is ripe to launch another 183-comment debate, wouldn&#8217;t you say? Here are the main issues, as I see [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Qifa Nabki</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/11/19/naturalizing-the-palestinians/#comment-5934</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Qifa Nabki]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok folks. Time to pack this one in. I would have pulled the plug a while ago, but to be perfectly honest, I&#039;ve been enjoying not reading the blog for a couple of days. :)

Stay tuned for the next post in the reform series... perhaps tomorrow or Monday.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok folks. Time to pack this one in. I would have pulled the plug a while ago, but to be perfectly honest, I&#8217;ve been enjoying not reading the blog for a couple of days. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Stay tuned for the next post in the reform series&#8230; perhaps tomorrow or Monday.</p>
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		<title>By: Ras Beirut</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/11/19/naturalizing-the-palestinians/#comment-5933</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen Ghassan, well said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen Ghassan, well said.</p>
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		<title>By: ghassan karam</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/11/19/naturalizing-the-palestinians/#comment-5931</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ghassan karam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 21:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EJ/MO/Mas?aig   et al
                     I speak only for myself, and I suspect there are some others who share my view, that many of us who subscribe to a particular blog or who have an interest in a certain thread are usually interested in a focused cohesive discussion of the thread that the owner has posted. It might be difficult to always limit ones remarks to the issue being discussed but to just go off on a tangent and keep on discussing ad nauseam a peripheral issue is not fair for the other readers. I know that it would be easy to either delete or skip over the offending posts but hell in this case 75% of the posts have nothing to do with the issue being discussed. Have mercy on your fellow travelers will you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EJ/MO/Mas?aig   et al<br />
                     I speak only for myself, and I suspect there are some others who share my view, that many of us who subscribe to a particular blog or who have an interest in a certain thread are usually interested in a focused cohesive discussion of the thread that the owner has posted. It might be difficult to always limit ones remarks to the issue being discussed but to just go off on a tangent and keep on discussing ad nauseam a peripheral issue is not fair for the other readers. I know that it would be easy to either delete or skip over the offending posts but hell in this case 75% of the posts have nothing to do with the issue being discussed. Have mercy on your fellow travelers will you.</p>
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		<title>By: Some things will change</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/11/19/naturalizing-the-palestinians/#comment-5930</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Some things will change]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 17:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Akbar Palace:

So according to you, the ones who are calling for Israel&#039;s destruction are to be blamed while the Israeli army - and its powerful state sponsors - who are STILL occupying the land of Palestine and destructing the Palestinians need to be reassured?

I&#039;m impressed by such a consistent logic mixed with an even greater sense of justice. Bravo! 

Israel is the most notable violator of U.N resolutions. 
Please cf. &quot;Deliberate Deceptions: Facing the Facts About US-Israeli Relationship&quot; (Lawrence Hill Books, 1995) written by the former - and Republican! - Congressman Paul Findley.

The colonial state you are defending ignored at least 65 resolutions - which is 65 times more than what was actually needed to &quot;throw Iraq back to the Middle Ages.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Akbar Palace:</p>
<p>So according to you, the ones who are calling for Israel&#8217;s destruction are to be blamed while the Israeli army &#8211; and its powerful state sponsors &#8211; who are STILL occupying the land of Palestine and destructing the Palestinians need to be reassured?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m impressed by such a consistent logic mixed with an even greater sense of justice. Bravo! </p>
<p>Israel is the most notable violator of U.N resolutions.<br />
Please cf. &#8220;Deliberate Deceptions: Facing the Facts About US-Israeli Relationship&#8221; (Lawrence Hill Books, 1995) written by the former &#8211; and Republican! &#8211; Congressman Paul Findley.</p>
<p>The colonial state you are defending ignored at least 65 resolutions &#8211; which is 65 times more than what was actually needed to &#8220;throw Iraq back to the Middle Ages.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/11/19/naturalizing-the-palestinians/#comment-5929</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[EJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mo,

“and it was the Arab armies who called on all Palestinians to leave their homes.”

Oh man..I thought even most of Israel now knows that to be a complete myth.&quot;

The evidence on what happened to the Palestinians in 1948 overwhelmingly concludes...that you cannot make a definitive conclusion.  To dispel this notion of the influence of Arab regimes is almost as one-sided as believing that no one was violently driven out.  I can find you plenty of sources from Arab, Anti-Zionist, or neutral publications from the time which indeed indicate that the plight of the Palestinians was indeed not as simple as evil Israelis uprooting everyone in sight.  Even the Israeli historians who began to discredit Ben-Gurion’s account acknowledged that the Palestinians became refugees for a multitude of reasons.  I have met many people who make conclusions about 1948 based on what happens today or because it conveniently fits into some kind of narrative, perhaps a David vs. Goliath type, in which actual research or an unbiased perspective would cause them to realize that perhaps things are not as simple as they appear.  I hope this is not the case with you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mo,</p>
<p>“and it was the Arab armies who called on all Palestinians to leave their homes.”</p>
<p>Oh man..I thought even most of Israel now knows that to be a complete myth.&#8221;</p>
<p>The evidence on what happened to the Palestinians in 1948 overwhelmingly concludes&#8230;that you cannot make a definitive conclusion.  To dispel this notion of the influence of Arab regimes is almost as one-sided as believing that no one was violently driven out.  I can find you plenty of sources from Arab, Anti-Zionist, or neutral publications from the time which indeed indicate that the plight of the Palestinians was indeed not as simple as evil Israelis uprooting everyone in sight.  Even the Israeli historians who began to discredit Ben-Gurion’s account acknowledged that the Palestinians became refugees for a multitude of reasons.  I have met many people who make conclusions about 1948 based on what happens today or because it conveniently fits into some kind of narrative, perhaps a David vs. Goliath type, in which actual research or an unbiased perspective would cause them to realize that perhaps things are not as simple as they appear.  I hope this is not the case with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Akbar Palace</title>
		<link>http://qifanabki.com/2009/11/19/naturalizing-the-palestinians/#comment-5928</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Akbar Palace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[EJ -

We have participants here, on SC, as well as scores of terror organizations and their state sponsors who are STILL calling for Israel&#039;s destruction.

Some things never change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EJ -</p>
<p>We have participants here, on SC, as well as scores of terror organizations and their state sponsors who are STILL calling for Israel&#8217;s destruction.</p>
<p>Some things never change.</p>
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		<title>By: kt</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 08:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Losing a nationality is not a nice feeling. To nationalize the Palestinians is to strip them of their right to their culture and society. If one immigrates to another country and chose to be nationalized that is a freedom of choice. Here it is not the case, groups of people ran away in the 40&#039;s with their families to save them selves of the harm that was poured on them by powerful countries that wanted to solve their own problems by creating wars on other’s land. I know ladies that still have the key to their homes in their stolen land hanging in a chain around their necks.
It is not fair to change the cultural and social life of a nation from either side let be the Lebanese or the Palestinians, to satisfy the greed of the powerful countries. Sure there are solutions, and it should fall on the shoulders of every one and every country. 
You live in the Arab Gulf with workers from every far eastern country but hardly meet a Palestinian……….WHY……. no need to nationalize or move the Palestinian to the Golf just give them opportunity to work there like the rest so they could send there country of origin their families money which let them live slightly better. Every one blames Lebanon for the Palestinians situation. Please think a little there is some blame on these poor people too. they have politicians that are selfish and do not help them or educate them to have easier life. 
It is easier said then done. 
There is hope that some day that the Arab nations wake up. Jerusalem is taken from the Christians Moslems and Jews by few business men that are trying to make it into a city to make money of it..
Individuals should recognize their individual duties towards their nations, and stand together in unity against the few that are in power you are the ones that got them that power you can take it away from them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Losing a nationality is not a nice feeling. To nationalize the Palestinians is to strip them of their right to their culture and society. If one immigrates to another country and chose to be nationalized that is a freedom of choice. Here it is not the case, groups of people ran away in the 40&#8242;s with their families to save them selves of the harm that was poured on them by powerful countries that wanted to solve their own problems by creating wars on other’s land. I know ladies that still have the key to their homes in their stolen land hanging in a chain around their necks.<br />
It is not fair to change the cultural and social life of a nation from either side let be the Lebanese or the Palestinians, to satisfy the greed of the powerful countries. Sure there are solutions, and it should fall on the shoulders of every one and every country.<br />
You live in the Arab Gulf with workers from every far eastern country but hardly meet a Palestinian……….WHY……. no need to nationalize or move the Palestinian to the Golf just give them opportunity to work there like the rest so they could send there country of origin their families money which let them live slightly better. Every one blames Lebanon for the Palestinians situation. Please think a little there is some blame on these poor people too. they have politicians that are selfish and do not help them or educate them to have easier life.<br />
It is easier said then done.<br />
There is hope that some day that the Arab nations wake up. Jerusalem is taken from the Christians Moslems and Jews by few business men that are trying to make it into a city to make money of it..<br />
Individuals should recognize their individual duties towards their nations, and stand together in unity against the few that are in power you are the ones that got them that power you can take it away from them.</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 06:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[mo,

“After 48 it was the Arab Palestinians who wanted to throw the Jews in the sea”

Here’s your challenge – Find an Arab leader who was ever recorded to have made that quote. You will find the only public utterance of that quote is made by an Israeli Prime Minister.&quot;


Does it have to be this direct quote because there are plenty with the same meaning:

1948 - Azzam Pasha, Secretary-General of the Arab League: “This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades.”

1954 – Muhammad Salah al-Din, Egyptian Foreign Minister: “We shall not be satisfied except by the final obliteration of Israel from the map of the Middle East.”

1967 – Hafez Assad, when Defense Minister: “I, as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation.”

1967 - Abdur Rahman Arif, Iraqi President: &quot;The existence of Israel is an error which we must put right. This is our opportunity to wipe out the disgrace which is Israel which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear- to wipe Israel off the map.&quot;

However, the “quote” may perhaps come from Musa Alami, Palestinian nationalist and politician: “The Arabs of Palestine left their homes, were scattered, and lost everything. But there remained one solid hope: The Arab armies were on the eve of their entry into Palestine to save the country and return things to their normal course, punish the aggressor, and throw oppressive Zionism with its dreams and dangers into the sea. On May 14, 1948, crowds of Arabs stood by the roads leading to the frontiers of Palestine, enthusiastically welcoming the advancing armies. Days and weeks passed, sufficient to accomplish the sacred mission, but the Arab armies did not save the country. They did nothing but let slip from their hands Acre, Sarafand, Lydda, Ramleh, Nazareth, most of the south and the rest of the north. Then hope fled.” (1949).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mo,</p>
<p>“After 48 it was the Arab Palestinians who wanted to throw the Jews in the sea”</p>
<p>Here’s your challenge – Find an Arab leader who was ever recorded to have made that quote. You will find the only public utterance of that quote is made by an Israeli Prime Minister.&#8221;</p>
<p>Does it have to be this direct quote because there are plenty with the same meaning:</p>
<p>1948 &#8211; Azzam Pasha, Secretary-General of the Arab League: “This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades.”</p>
<p>1954 – Muhammad Salah al-Din, Egyptian Foreign Minister: “We shall not be satisfied except by the final obliteration of Israel from the map of the Middle East.”</p>
<p>1967 – Hafez Assad, when Defense Minister: “I, as a military man, believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation.”</p>
<p>1967 &#8211; Abdur Rahman Arif, Iraqi President: &#8220;The existence of Israel is an error which we must put right. This is our opportunity to wipe out the disgrace which is Israel which has been with us since 1948. Our goal is clear- to wipe Israel off the map.&#8221;</p>
<p>However, the “quote” may perhaps come from Musa Alami, Palestinian nationalist and politician: “The Arabs of Palestine left their homes, were scattered, and lost everything. But there remained one solid hope: The Arab armies were on the eve of their entry into Palestine to save the country and return things to their normal course, punish the aggressor, and throw oppressive Zionism with its dreams and dangers into the sea. On May 14, 1948, crowds of Arabs stood by the roads leading to the frontiers of Palestine, enthusiastically welcoming the advancing armies. Days and weeks passed, sufficient to accomplish the sacred mission, but the Arab armies did not save the country. They did nothing but let slip from their hands Acre, Sarafand, Lydda, Ramleh, Nazareth, most of the south and the rest of the north. Then hope fled.” (1949).</p>
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