Hezbollah, Lebanon, March 14, Syria

The View From Mukhtara

Walid Jumblatt has long cultivated a reputation for spotting the angles before anyone else. As international pressure mounted on Syria in 2004, Jumblatt joined the vocal opposition to Lahoud’s rule in a move that broke with several years of close ties with Damascus.

In 2009, following the Lebanese parliamentary elections and the much-touted (but ultimately ill-fated) rapprochement between Damascus and Riyadh, he announced his return to sister Syria’s welcoming arms in a crass press conference at the Beau Rivage hotel.

The first move placed him in the vanguard of the burgeoning “Independence Intifada”; the second was what made it possible for Hizbullah and its allies to bring down the Hariri government earlier this year.

In light of his track record of political treachery prescience, what are we to make of Jumblatt’s recent statements about events in Syria and Lebanon? He has been very vocal of late in his calls upon the Assad regime to implement dramatic reforms, and recently criticized Hizbullah as the main obstacle to the Lebanese cabinet formation. I don’t think we should make too much of these moves, but they are certainly intriguing.

I spoke this weekend with a friend who is a political insider in Beirut, and he argued that Jumblatt’s statements suggest a belief that the Syrian regime is heading for another severe bout of isolation, no matter how things turn out in the short term. If the regime can turn the corner on the opposition, it will face a steady campaign of demonization from the West and possibly even certain key allies like Turkey. If it can’t stem the protests, the future will be even bleaker.

This isn’t to say that Jumblatt is contemplating a shift back to March 14th, which no longer exists in any meaningful form anyway. But it does make one suspect that his current allies’ confidence and sense of purpose has been deeply eroded by the events in Syria.

Thoughts?

(For a fun trip down memory lane with Jumbo, see here, here, herehere, herehere, here, and here.)
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Discussion

47 thoughts on “The View From Mukhtara

  1. Hmmmmmmmm

    He is hedging his bets again!

    Posted by Enlightened | June 6, 2011, 9:33 pm
  2. Jumblat is unprincipled and any attempt to whitewash his flip flops as being an asset is very misplaced , in my opinion.
    Jumblat like characters cannot survive in any other political environment where the electorate demand consistency , reliability and accountability. Jumblat does not have to worry about any of these things because his position of power does not depend on either his knowledge, hardwork or charisma. His power is inherited, he is a scion , a feudal lord who does not have to take into consideration what his “serfs” think.
    A major contradiction in Walid Jumblats’ life is his efforts to market himself as a Progressive Socialist when he is neither.

    What would you call a capitalist who becomes a socialist for a while then becomes a capitalist again and then back to socialist? Would you ever refer to such a person as prescient or clever? I hope not. Such a person is best described as opportunistic, unprincipled and untrustworthy. No one wants a fare weather friend.
    I am sure that Walid Jumblat does not perceive himself to be that way. He thinks that he is shrewd and that through “Takya”
    he is protecting the safety of his tribe.

    “Takya is sort of a self defense mechanism that the Druze developed when their very existence was in jeopardy. The Moslem majority looked down with suspicion upon these Druze upstarts and was marshalling its vastly superior power and resources to squash the religious “deviants”. That is when the Druze decided to adopt the concept of “Takya” or pretense. It was decided that the Druze could avoid the wrath of the majority if they act as if they have assimilated when in reality they can go on practicing in secret their true beliefs. This flexibility was not meant to be genuine but was to be employed only in order to deceive.” This is the way I described on Oct 10 , 2009 in the following post http://rationalrepublic.blogspot.com/2009/10/political-takya.html

    Mr. Jumblat believes currently that it is his job to be a centrist with leanings towards March 8 but wants to act as the bridge between the two camps. But can he be trusted or is all of this an act?

    Posted by Ghassan Karam | June 6, 2011, 10:10 pm
  3. It’s really unnecessary to make effort decrying Jumbo for his hypocrisy (or to be fair, most Lebanese power-brokers) because it’s become so farcical.

    That said, it’s very clever of him to move closer to March 8 while criticizing the Hezb for failed cabinet talks; he gains a fair amount of trust from M8 while seeming to maintain his (ahem) integrity and independence. It seems to me, though (and I’m no expert on Syria), that he must have had some sort of insider information that really pushed him to abandon the Damascene ship, so to speak, before any of the real tumult began, to keep any of toxic reputation from reaching his virgin-clean name. Given that the only really clear statement he has been sending is that he is “upset” by events in Syria, I think he must have foreseen a political space in Lebanon without Syrian strength, and he is trying to come into that space before anyone else.

    Posted by idnavigator | June 6, 2011, 10:52 pm
  4. Jumbo might have many qualities about him that begs scrutiny, but I admit, he is a politician par excellence.We can’t blame him for being a tall poppy.Not that I am justifying his twist and turns but given the confessional nature of Middle Eastern politics, and that the ultimate goal at the end of the day is survival, his political manoeuvres become comprehensible. Some might say it is unprincipled but Ill take a stab here,
    if the only true principle you have is to keep that boat afloat and moving towards the horizon, Wouldnt you keep changing the sails according to the winds direction? I don’t think he cares where the wind is coming from, as long as the boat is afloat.
    In that respect, he is one of a kind, and prob the last of his kind, (hopefully) when Zaims become dispensable. But for now, in light of the confessional realities of the Levant, Joumblatt’s moves are nothing surprising,straight out of the political textbooks.

    Posted by maverick | June 6, 2011, 11:09 pm
  5. When I will be impressed, if Jumbo pulls off creating a centrist bloc that will eventually kill off the two outdated and backward movements of M8 and M14…..oh and somehow integrating HA’s weapons with the army, then his career would not go in vain.

    Posted by maverick | June 6, 2011, 11:16 pm
  6. I call this a half flip. Still, what an acrobat the Beik is!!!

    Posted by Ras Beirut | June 6, 2011, 11:30 pm
  7. You should write how the arabs are playing out this plan that was being devised since 2006, if not before.

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/could-this-war-produce-a-sunni-israeli-alliance-1.195990

    “On the other hand, to paraphrase von Clausewitz, the question is who manages to turn the results on the battlefield into political gains, and there I’m a bit more optimistic. The campaign in Lebanon highlighted the dangers facing the Sunni Arab world from the Iranian-led Shia axis, from Iran to Iraq – which has a Shi’ite-dominated government – to the minority Alawite regime in Syria and Hezbollah in Lebanon. That actually provides a common interest to the Sunni Arab world and Israel.

    Posted by UrOtherSide | June 7, 2011, 2:39 am
  8. Thanks QN, short of a Qnion, Jumblatt will do…
    WJ’s flip-flops, flagrant treacheries, and bottomless pit of tricks would deserve a book in themselves, which would be a kind of Machiavelli’s guide of political, and physical, survival in the ME. One of its chapters would have to explain the astonishing amounts of comprehension and tolerance, if not outright sympathy, that Walid Beik enjoys among a Lebanese public, even when he’s apparently caught on camera. By the way, wasn’t he the first (again) to offer the pioneer episode of political porn of Lebanon related Wikileaks…way before the Wikileaks even existed?
    Weather vane, puppet, traitor, conspirator, “drole de socialiste” indeed, always wearing a two sided jacket, WJ is never at what he seems to be at. Even his picture is a trick: far from the image you see on the media (it is a challenge to get a flattering shot of him) he is a man of great charisma, able to exert the kind of magnetic attraction that magicians exert on the public.
    Maverick and Ras Beirut’s reactions are, in my opinion, the ones you will get among most people in Lebanon. They reflect the fascination his acrobatics exert on the Lebanese: I guess the people sense that he just does what every other Lebanese politician does, but much earlier, faster, and never seeming to lose composure…at least for too long.

    Posted by mj | June 7, 2011, 3:30 am
  9. like I said mj, a tall poppy.

    But my point was ,it is the system that creates such figures. Joumblatt’s sin is playing the game to the tee. So if we want closure, scrutinize the system, and lets rid ourselves once and for all of these spawns.

    Posted by maverick | June 7, 2011, 3:36 am
  10. Walid Jumblatt is a CIA asset since the Mid-70s and he still is a full-fledged CIA/MOSSAD asset today….even when he makes occasional U-Turns… or a make-believe U-Turn. It is always meant to be a move that serves better CIA and mostly on their Direct instructions. He is most useful to CIA when he can meet directly with Bashar Assad, his close team and Sayyed Hassan Nasrallh and the Clown Berri…etc. [ Knowing intentions and inner thinking of Leaderships does not come from OSINT…, it comes from direct meetings and face to face dialogue.]
    Walid Jumblatt goes where CIA/MOSSAD say he should go…., Hence his enduring Friendship with Jeffrey Feltman…and many “others” from the other side of the pond, in Russia, the EU, Qatar, Turkey & even today in KSA….
    I am even willing to say that Walid Jumblatt’s U-Turn in 09 was done knowing full well what was being planned for Syria, Hezbollah & Iran down the line, which is what we are seeing today in Syria, and soon enough in Lebanon and probably Iran, if the zioconned crazies on the Potomac get their way this summer 🙂
    Notice how Saad Hariri is giving clear instructions to his puppets never to criticize Walid Jumblatt, no matter what Jumblatt says about Hariri and his Clique… because Hariri probably knows what you guys don’t…. Takya becomes quite handy in this environment and is second nature for the slick Jumblatt. This time though, he knows that his life is on line more than ever before 🙂

    Posted by HK | June 7, 2011, 4:42 am
  11. I think it’s important to observe, in addition to Jumblat’s U-turns themselves, his process of U-turning which he has turned into an art.

    The state of in-between is a complicated game of expectations management, plausible deniability and claims of political non-alliance and independence.

    He maintains that state until it becomes certain that one side is about to dominate the other, and then he completes his turn…

    Posted by Mustapha | June 7, 2011, 5:56 am
  12. Who needs Qnion when we have HK? Ya3eesh HK Ya3eesh Ya3eesh Ya3eesh.
    Psst, don’t tell anyone but QN is a CIA asset intended to reveal how many CIA assets are known by HK. Shhh… don’t tell anyone.

    Posted by Honest Patriot | June 7, 2011, 6:02 am
  13. For those interested, the religious writings of the Druzes have been published. Arabic text with a French translation in two volumes, by Daniel de Smet. A very interesting piece, or how the mumbo jumbo of the 11th-century equivalent of Raelians or Scientologists (but with more tales than science) has ended up in a family sect.

    Posted by Arthur | June 7, 2011, 7:52 am
  14. As he is Walid Jumblatt, nobody knows what this person wants to do. But one sure I know, Jumblatt always sails with the wind (only).

    I am glad you haven’t mentioned this cliché now ‘protecting Druze’ in justifying his ‘state of statelessness’, which has nothing to do with common sense. Amazing how he managed to convinced many people in it! If the Druze are in any danger, it’s because his flip-flopping. Other minorities or Druze leaders don’t want to protect their people too?

    I can say he does what it needs to ‘protect’ his share in the cake, & ensures he is betting on the winning horse. That’s Jumblatt; ethics in favour of results.

    Posted by @ZakYahya | June 7, 2011, 8:00 am
  15. MJ

    I will respond to your email later. Sorry… it’s been busy!

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | June 7, 2011, 8:02 am
  16. WJ is an idiot. I would not honour him by calling him a politician (although those are equated to whores).His flip flops if you call that are ghastly mistakes causing death and destruction as well as the collapse of what semblance of a state that Lebanon had.

    Jumblat’s “twitches” are based and two prongs: Syrian and HA. Even if Syrian regime were to collapse and the next one not as cozy with HA…He is trying to gage the terror minded HA’s next move.

    Here is what I was asking QN to write about…”What are the HA options if Bashar regime crashes and burns and they lose the support and lifeline from Syria”

    If he had Jumblat would have read our views and made a correct and informed decision. 😛

    Jumblat reminds me Bill Davis(Premier of Ontario). Gabriel might know of him if he has been in Toronto long. Bill could go on for minutes making statements and not saying anything. Jumbo is the same…

    Posted by danny | June 7, 2011, 8:10 am
  17. HP # 12,

    Psst, don’t tell anyone Bleeeaase!

    I am the one and only CIA asset & Psyop agent on QN! 🙂

    Psst, don’t tell anyone also that I had numerous meetings lately with CIA in DC, at various SCIF facilities, and I even had a one on one meeting in a European location with the wily Walid Jumblatt himself 🙂

    I was not very impressed though…

    Posted by HK | June 7, 2011, 8:41 am
  18. Isn’t the issue here that Lebanon isn’t a single nation – it is a geographic place in which there are a number of communities or ‘nations’ – Maronite, Sunni, Shiia, Roume, Melkite, Armenian and Druze.

    The Cabinet has always been like the U.N.S.C. – right of veto for the major players, with the smaller communities with smaller representation in the Non-Veto General Assembly (Parliament) where a seat is saved for minorities, for Armenian Catholics, two for the Alawi etc.

    I have always thought Lebanon was the best in the region – but with Tunisia and Egypt now advancing, Lebanon will be behind the pack for the first time.

    So Mr Jumblatt is no better or worse, to me, than any other political representative of one of the 18 communities.

    And Lebanon is still superior to 20 of the Arab League state suffering tyranny, and far superior to what happened south of the border where 4 communities have claim to Holy Land but only 2 communities have full rights (Jews and Druze) while the other two (Sunni and Christian) either have no right to live in their own country or – if they are stuck in Gaza or West Bank – face tyranny of the sort that is typcical in the other tyranny regimes like saudia and syria.

    Posted by s al-riachy | June 7, 2011, 8:43 am
  19. QN, no broblem:)

    Posted by mj | June 7, 2011, 8:52 am
  20. I think that Jimbo is more of a reactionary politician than anything else.

    The man is trying to plant his feet on middle ground in order to re-position himself once the future of the Assad regime becomes clear. He has been the king maker for some time and is needed by both sides.

    Posted by Ali | June 7, 2011, 9:54 am
  21. Most Lebanese “politicians” are mere stooges and puppets, they are just cogs in the wheel and not those that exercise power. 🙂

    Posted by HK | June 7, 2011, 10:39 am
  22. R2D2
    What happened to the protests against the confessional system? Any dates set?

    Posted by IHTDA | June 7, 2011, 12:10 pm
  23. I wonder if there’s anyone who is NOT a CIA asset according to HK.

    Posted by Bad Vilbel | June 7, 2011, 12:57 pm
  24. lHTDA,

    At the moment, we are living in a country that has “no system” whatsoever and is pretty much scratching its head trying to figure out what other outdated systems could be put into place.

    There are several solutions … I am hoping the “old timers” will end up recognizing that the “La Ghaleb, La Maghloub principle” can only prevail in this country through adopting a secular system.

    Posted by R2D2 | June 7, 2011, 3:21 pm
  25. s al-riachy,

    Lebanon best in the region? HAHAHAHA! Nice one.

    Posted by Bad Vilbel | June 7, 2011, 4:35 pm
  26. Heaven knows there are more important things going on in the Middle East than whatever is occurring in Jumblatt’s mind, but here’s how I suppose I see his preferences for Lebanon from “good” to “bad.” Keep in mind that this is the result of absolutely no research into the state of play in PSP politics these days.

    1. Jumblatt participates in a national unity government. (Hariri nixed this, so it’s not gonna happen)

    2. Jumblatt participates in an M-8 dominated government, in which Hezbollah/Aoun/Mikati/Sleiman somehow reach a modus vivendi.

    3. The status quo: Jumblatt is linked with Hezbollah and his old pals in Syria but internecine fighting prevents the formation of a government.

    4. Jumblatt jumps ship from his March 8 friends and rejoins Hariri & Co., reestablishing the electoral coalition that took the most seats in the 2009 elections.

    In other words, I see Jumblatt’s goal as to improve his lot from option #3 to option #2 by pressing Hezbollah and the feuding Christians to mend fences and at long last forma government, which just may be able to insulate Lebanon from the unrest in Syria and its own well-known maladies. However, I don’t see why he would yet determine that Syria and Hezbollah have been weakened enough that he would prefer option #4 — rejoining March 14 — to sticking by Assad & Co.

    Anyway, that’s just one guy’s take. Would be interested in your thoughts.

    Posted by dbk | June 7, 2011, 5:08 pm
  27. Whether you are a fan of Adonis or not the following essay of his in Aklnahar is a must read. He argues, eloquently and convincingly that theto view life through a sectarian prism is a sign of backwardness, and yet we persist on doing that. When will we learn that modernity is built on civic law and secular vision. He even uses the term that I have been using for years : what we need most is to develop the idea of “mwatiniah” or citizenship, an idea that is lacking in each and every Arab country.

    http://jarayid.com/frame.aspx?LinkId=1&CountryId=1

    Posted by Ghassan Karam | June 7, 2011, 6:24 pm
  28. Whether you are a fan of Adonis or not the following essay of his in Aklnahar is a must read. He argues, eloquently and convincingly that theto view life through a sectarian prism is a sign of backwardness, and yet we persist on doing that. When will we learn that modernity is built on civic law and secular vision. He even uses the term that I have been using for years : what we need most is to develop the idea of “mwatiniah” or citizenship, an idea that is lacking in each and every Arab country.

    http://jarayid.com/frame.aspx?LinkId=1&CountryId=1

    Posted by Ghassan Karam | June 7, 2011, 6:25 pm
  29. QN,
    Sorry for the the twin post. I though that the FB was a post to my FB account but it turns out that it is simply a double post on QN. Is that right?

    Posted by Ghassan Karam | June 7, 2011, 6:30 pm
  30. Ghassan,

    You and I see eye to eye on this one (current bet notwithstanding). The future for humanity is in “citizenship” and civic pride. Not nationalism or sectarianism. And we both know that Lebanon and the Arab world are stuck looking backwards and holding on to these archaic notions (all the while claiming to be so superior to the rest of the world).

    Posted by Bad Vilbel | June 7, 2011, 6:58 pm
  31. BV:

    It is perplexing why the obvious seems to be whiz by some peoples’ minds.

    When you write things like: “And we both know that Lebanon and the Arab world are stuck looking backwards and holding on to these archaic notions”

    You are making academic points. “Lebanon”, the “Arab World”… those are general terms. But Lebanon and the Arab world are specific notions, in people. Right here in the QN forums. Posters galore. It’s 2011 and we still have people talking about Arabness and Arabism.

    We see peoples’ views, even here in QN, are quite entrenched. So I ask, if you can’t sway the minds of people you interact with relatively frequently at QN… what hope in hell do you have to reaching Lebanon and the rest of the Arab world?

    Posted by Gabriel | June 7, 2011, 7:54 pm
  32. Past, HK,

    Glad you’re cooperating with Murder Inc. I won’t tell;)

    Posted by Akbar Palace | June 7, 2011, 8:08 pm
  33. …………………………………Extraordinary Sessions of the Chamber

    The Lebanese constitution is very clear on the conditions for holding Extraordinary Sessions of the Chamber:

    (1) The President in consultation with the PM has the right to call the Chamber to an Extraordinary Session. He has to specify the dates and the agenda.

    (2) The President must call for an Extraordinary Session if he is called upon to do so by a majority of the Chamber members.

    The above two conditions are spelled out clearly in Article 33.

    (3) Article 69 section 3 , however, says that the Chamber is automatically in an Extraordinary Session once the cabinet resigns or is considered resigned. Furthermore the session does not end until a new cabinet is sworn in.

    Based on the above it is very clear that all sides to the conflict are wrong. March 14, Jumblatt and Mikati are pretending that Article 33 is the operative article when it is not in this case.

    Speaker Beri is wrong becasue under Article 69 section 3 he does not have to call for an extraordinary session since it is automatic. His mistake , as I have claimed ad infinitum, is that he has failed to consider the Chamber in session as of January 25, 2011.

    Are the Lebanese politicians incompetent? Far from it, they have no respect for the law and will twist and turn any which way that pleases them.

    In this case I reserve my disdain for Walid Bey and all the others who agree with him. Mr. Jumblatt agrees that the extraordinary Session is not unconstitutional provided it has only one item on its agenda. Now that is creative and self serving isn’t it?

    Posted by Ghassan Karam | June 8, 2011, 12:31 am
  34. Bad Vilbel – you doubt Lebanon is best in the region – but that is the record.

    It has by far the best record in terms of openness and ability to participate in the Middle East in terms of record over the past 60 years. Turkey is ahead to day – but it had years under military dictators – and heavy media censorship – for significant periods over the last 60 years.

    Lebanon leaves in the dust the apartheid states of saudia arabia, syria, bahrain, the ”jewish state’ in the south or anywhere else you care to mention.

    Just consider the ‘jewish state’ (in the geographic region to which equally valid claims exist for at least 3 significant communities – Orthodox Christian Palestinians, Jews & Sunni Palestinians: That is a state that says that those born in the country but of the “wrong” community are barred – yes barred! – from living in their own country and are confined to refugee camps in neighbouring states.

    The equivalent scenario would be were Lebanon to have barred large parts of its shiia or druze or sunni or Orthodox community to neighbour-state refugee camps – because they were the “wrong” race/religion/community.

    That is a repulsive thought.

    When Israelis (of Orthodox or Sunni background) try to walk back home, they are shot at by the IDF. Killed for trying to return home! And it isn’t even news – its been going on since the 1940s and getting no better. In Nazareth and Haifa and Jaffa – senior officials openly strategize in terms that may have made sense in 1890s Europe, make no sense in the global society of the 21st century.

    If the Orthodox and Sunni subjects of the ‘jewish state’ happen to live in the Israeli terriotires of Judea, Samaria, alquds and gaza, they they collectively put behind walls bigger than the Berlin Wall and are searched and humilitated daily if they want to travel five kilometres from Beit Lahem or Beit Jalla to attend church in Jerusalem.

    Totally respulsive. Lebanon has by far the best record in the region – but the region’s record is so poor. The challenge in the wake of Tunisia and Egypt, is for Lebanon to stay up with the best in the region.

    Posted by s al-riachy | June 8, 2011, 2:14 am
  35. Bashar Assad is Israel’s number one asset in the Levant: When he massacres his own people, no one will criticize the cowardly IDF too severely when it kills dozens of unarmed civilian demonstrators trying to forcibly cross an international border.”
    From this perspective, Israel will prefer status quo or chaos in Syria to transition to the nascent Turkish/Egyptian-style option…

    Posted by HK | June 8, 2011, 2:48 am
  36. HK “SCIFs” with “Murder Inc.”

    Psst, don’t tell anyone also that I had numerous meetings lately with CIA in DC, at various SCIF facilities…

    HK,

    How was your meeting with “Murder Inc” (Post #17)? Did they provide doughnuts?

    Posted by Akbar Palace | June 8, 2011, 7:24 am
  37. He wants to be the feather that can break the camel back.

    Posted by norman | June 8, 2011, 8:28 am
  38. لا شيء من عبثكم سيصيب المقاومة بسوء…موتوا بغيظكم

    ان متغيرات السياسة العالمية قد تعيد انتاج علاقات اميركية – فارسية تماماً كالتي ربطت لعقود مصالحهم بعضها ببعض مع الثورة الاسلامية الايرانية
    🙂

    Posted by HK | June 8, 2011, 8:50 am
  39. The infamous Zioconned White House Murder INC, hard at war/works….

    http://www.newstrackindia.com/newsdetails/223959

    🙂

    Posted by HK | June 8, 2011, 8:59 am
  40. Doughnuts vs Resistance: always a difficult choice

    HK,

    Did you keep your opinion of the “Zioconned White House Murder Inc.” a secret at your meeting in DC? I’m thinking you did because those free doughnuts are delicious. Almost as good as baklawah.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | June 8, 2011, 11:24 am
  41. Al Riachy,

    You say Bad Vilbel – you doubt Lebanon is best in the region – but that is the record.

    It has by far the best record in terms of openness and ability to participate in the Middle East in terms of record over the past 60 years. Turkey is ahead to day – but it had years under military dictators – and heavy media censorship – for significant periods over the last 60 years.

    What record? The one where we’ve been in a constant state of civil war since roughly 1958? The one where we killed each other over other people’s agendas and continue to do so to this day? The one where our best minds and educated youth has to go to OTHER Arab countries to find work? The one where our GDP, National Debt, Unemployment rates are all mediocre at best? And corruption is one of the highest around? The one where we are incapable of self-governance and have had no less than 4 vacuums at President or Cabinet level in the past 10 years? The one where there is no accountability whatsoever to the citizens?
    The one where anyone with a “connection” or a gun (or both) can stomp all over your individual rights anytime they want?

    Yes. Lebanon is by all means “the best” in the region…

    Posted by Bad Vilbel | June 8, 2011, 12:48 pm
  42. NO I did not, but I did keep my real opinions secret at my other meetings in Herzliya (north of Tel Aviv), where I was very well received by my Israeli buddies. They offered superb chocolate rugelach!

    Posted by HK | June 8, 2011, 12:50 pm
  43. Also

    The equivalent scenario would be were Lebanon to have barred large parts of its shiia or druze or sunni or Orthodox community to neighbour-state refugee camps – because they were the “wrong” race/religion/community.

    I take it you were not around in 1975-1976 or in the years that followed.
    Cause Lebanon did exactly that in places like Damour, Karantina, Tal-El-Zaatar, and the Chouf to name only but a few.
    I take it you weren’t around circa the mid 80s, when most of Lebanon was de-facto divided up based on Sunni/Shia/Christian/Druze (for the most part).

    Posted by Bad Vilbel | June 8, 2011, 12:52 pm
  44. HK,

    Thanks for the response.

    I was wondering if you wouldn’t mind describing to the casual observers here how you felt being in the presence and working with the people who hate so much, namely the “infamous Zioconned White House Murder INC” and their Zionist masters in Herzliya.

    Therefore, please describe to us how you were thinking and feeling, and touch on the what impact you could have made if, for example, you were a full-fledged pro-Hezbollah resistance fighter.

    Shukran.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | June 8, 2011, 3:18 pm
  45. AP # 45,

    I am and I am proud of them ALL.

    You seem to be confusing politics, Geopolitics, occupations, aggressions, wars, extra-judicial assassinations of close friends by the most Infamous & Zioconned White House Murder INC, and what ensued in the Levant and worldwide, and what is our daily interaction with real people whether in Business or in our busy social lives on 4 continents since the mid-70s.

    In order not to continue to be confused, my dear AP, i must tell you that i have among my friends and Business partners, the most wonderful Jewish people that you will ever meet in your entire life, and some of them are Israelis. They are the most loving, caring, trusting, charming, smart, fair and decent people that i have ever known, and these friendships go back over 30 years and i would not change that bond with them for anything in the world. I happen not to hide my feelings from my friends, regardless the complexities of the issues, and for your info, when i arrive at our regularly scheduled lunches or dinners with them, they say lovingly, jokingly : Here comes the Hezbollah guy …. 🙂
    For your information, most of them know exactly how i feel about politics and many other issues that i chose to share with them, and if you really talk to some Jews & Israelis in close circles…., and read carefully the Israeli press, you will find similar opinions voiced by Israelis who live in Israel permanently, or Jews from the vast Diaspora, and who are fed up with this state of affairs since the assassination of Rabin 🙂

    As for the meetings in various SCIFs, you wouldn’t want to hear what is being said about the Ziocons, and i can’t tell you….or what is being planned for them come September….. But the SCIFs in DC were much nicer and bigger than Herzliya.’s 🙂

    Posted by HK | June 8, 2011, 4:19 pm
  46. HK makes my head spin every time.

    Posted by Bad Vilbel | June 8, 2011, 5:02 pm

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