Israel, Palestine

Humanitarian Relief in Gaza

CNN-Gaza

The Craven News Network gives it to us straight.

A couple of weeks have elapsed since Gaza was drawn into the center of Mideast strife” and the chorus of outrage has grown louder, with several Nobel peace laureates calling for a military embargo against Israel and a US Secretary-of-State famous for his “who-moi” moments giving an impromptu shot across the bow from a hot mic. Will it matter? Does it ever?

The cravenness of some US-based newspapers on the situation is just mind-boggling. I don’t like blaming “The Media” for every last open pothole in Middle East politics because there are many good reporters working on the ground who have their hearts and minds in the right place.

But the headlines have been nauseating. “Hamas: Israeli soldier captured” screams CNN, reserving a mention of 87 dead Palestinians for the subtitle. “2 Israeli soldiers killed in Gaza clash” says the Washington Post, adding “Death toll tops 330 as Hamas militants step up attacks.” As a friend commented on Facebook:

The 330 Palestinian lives (the overwhelming majority of which are innocent civilians) are not as worthy or important to the American press as 2 Israeli lives. In fact, they do not even deserve to be named (Palestinians). Whereas the Israelis are named and described as having been “killed,” the Palestinians are just “dead”– either they mysteriously stopped breathing, or they are responsible for their own killing, or Hamas is to blame (as is insinuated).

If you want to help in a small way, here is a list of aid organizations. Beyond the present crisis, the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement — which has emerged as one of the most visible and effective methods of nonviolent advocacy for Palestinian rights — is organizing a military embargo petition. Read more here.

Finally, here is Hanan Ashrawi, one of the most eloquent spokespersons for her people’s rights, discussing the situation on ABC News.

ANERA (American Near East Refugee Aid): An NGO with offices in the West Bank, Gaza, Lebanon, and Jordan, working in the region since 1968.

PCRF (Palestine Children’s Relief Fund): A non-political, non-profit organization dedicated to addressing the medical and humanitarian crisis facing Palestinian youths in the Middle East, since 1991.

MAP (Medical Aid for Palestinians): Delivers health and medical are to those worst affected by conflict, occupation, and displacement. Offices in Beirut, Ramallah, Jerusalem, and Gaza City.

UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency): funded almost entirely by voluntary contributions, providing assistance for some 5 million registered Palestinian refugees.

Oxfam: Fighting poverty around the world.

KinderUSA (Kids in Need of Development, Education, and Relief)

 

Discussion

286 thoughts on “Humanitarian Relief in Gaza

  1. i just went to Google News. The top headline under World is “Israeli shelling rocks Gaza; Palestinian toll tops 500”. Do you find that less nauseating? i don’t. But then again, i’m Only A Dog (iOAD™).

    Posted by samadamsthedog | July 21, 2014, 12:06 pm
  2. …Hanan Ashrawi, one of the most eloquent spokespersons for her people’s rights…

    As the lone zio – fascist on your website (you must have scared AIG away), I’ll do my best at the hasbara thing.

    Israel has rights too. And, btw, no one has the right to wage war from crowded civilian areas, hospitals or schools. Also, no one has the right to indiscriminately fire missiles into population centers. Small points of course for anti-zios, naturally.

    It is sad for all Israeli to see how the theocratic Hamas has cynically “led” their people to nothing but war. Those murdering bastards you want to help put all their extensive time and energy to fight a well armed country, dig miles of tunnels and amass weaponry instead of making a conscious choice to build a nation. They rejected cease fires and opted for war. And they are getting everything they’ve prayed and indoctrinated their children for. All with their hands out to the international community and even Israel, who STILL keep the lights, water and food supplied to these raging maniacs.

    Check PayPal Elias and give Hamas as much as your professorship can afford.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 21, 2014, 12:27 pm
  3. Fewer and fewer people buy this nonsense, Akbar. Must be terrifying to the hasbarists.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 21, 2014, 1:01 pm
  4. AP,

    Are you freaking dreaming? Why don’t you trace the root cause of “Khamas” being supported. Israel has barricaded the small crowded area and has treated its population with utter disdain. I will not say third class citizens…When people have very little left to live for; they will explode. It is obvious you are always on defensive. This explosion did not happen overnight. It was a long time coming; and YES mainly due to the stupidity of Israeli governments’ behavior.

    Now that you have that douche off your tail you can try to moderate your views and see through a clear glass not a salafist tinted one.

    Posted by danny | July 21, 2014, 1:11 pm
  5. Elias need to be thanked for the excellent call for help for the Gazzans.

    Our Wise King, however, has been generous from day one providing tremendous aid to the people of Gazza. And he continues to do so as we speak. There are talks of possible military aid to be provided to the fighters who are now seen to be waging a just war of defence of homes, hospitals and civilian neighborhoods against an invader commiting crimes against humanity. It was also relayed to the Egyptians that their mediating efforts should be put on hold and that no rescue ropes should be extended to such vile zio criminals.

    As it stands at the moment, the ratio is as skewed as the warfare itself: 25 confirmed kills of so-called elite scums (by admission of evil zionist government) to 473 confirmed Gazzan civilian kills by the invading band of thugs.

    It is almost 1 so called elite zio-scum to 40 unarmed Gazzan civilians.

    While BB continues to gasp behind elusive victories like a mad dog slaughtering civilians on his way, the elite Qassams are busy with their pin pointed strikes against his invading bunch of scums with virtually zero civilian kills that the Qassams can take credit for from either side due to their very high standard of conduct of warfare.

    Posted by Mustap | July 21, 2014, 1:12 pm
  6. Middle East Studies and the damn Zionist Conundrum NewZ

    I fully understand doc. Israeli self-defense is non-sense, war crimes are non-sense, and making choices to build-up a nation instead of opting for war is also non-sense.

    Swell. And you wonder about the press? There’s no logical way to make Hamas heroes for the SELF_DEFEATING choices they’ve made. So yes, if Hitler would have provided joos of Germany or the Warsaw ghetto a full peace treaty, or even a ceasefire, and let them live in their own country (with water-front property no less), and with unlimited food, electricity and water the joos would have taken it in a heartbeat. It’s all non-sense.

    Terrified? The US media (and public) is amazingly quiet about Gaza. They’re all focused on Russian terrorism today.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 21, 2014, 1:17 pm
  7. Now that you have that douche off your tail you can try to moderate your views and see through a clear glass not a salafist tinted one.

    Danny,

    I got to get back to work. I’d be happy to discuss this further with you. But, I just don’t think you’ll be able to break my stiffneckedness;)

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 21, 2014, 1:20 pm
  8. QN,

    If the liberals in the Arab world like you and Ashrawi had shown ONE productive measure of being able to handle the rabid Islamism coming from within your societies I would listen to you. As things stand, you only wake up when Israel tries to deal with this malignant problem.

    Why should CNN mention the 87 Palestinians killed if the Arab press does not prominently mention the 100 or so killed in Syria everyday??? Or the number of dead in Iraq??? When Arabs take their own lives seriously, outsiders will to. Arabs being killed is not news anymore, even for Arabs. You won’t get respect from others, until Arab societies respect their own dead, no matter who killed them.

    On a more hopeful note, just like the Second Lebanon War brought many years of quiet and still counting, this more thorough Israeli operation has a better chance of bringing years of quiet.

    But of course nothing will be solved until you get your houses sorted out and figure out a way to live among yourselves in ways that provide hope and prosperity to your own citizens. Until then, you are welcome to vent your frustrations at Israel. I hope you realize by now that we are neither the solution nor the problem.

    Posted by AIG | July 21, 2014, 1:23 pm
  9. The only thing more amusing than reading lollypops pretenses are the pretenses of a fan (Danny) of a convicted criminal counselling another fan (Akbar Palace) of another institutional criminal (BB) on how to moderate views. Loooooooool and good luck to both.

    Time to watch true love blooming.

    😁

    I also hope Vulcan joins threes company. I promise to elongate my ears with sharp pointed ends for true Vulcan looks.

    Posted by Mustap | July 21, 2014, 1:25 pm
  10. QN,

    Another thought. Your tirade illustrated for me much of the problem with the liberals in the Arab world. Inside all this craziness we are going through you choose to complain and act about the US press. Really? Your priorities are mind boggling. This issue is so incidental and irrelevant to solving any problem by you waste energy dealing with it. I just don’t get it.

    Posted by AIG | July 21, 2014, 1:31 pm
  11. Danny,

    The Israel government is stupid? Have you looked at the Arab countries lately? Bibi is a genius. While your countries are disintegrating all around us, he has been able to lead Israel to economic growth and stability which when compared to your states is just mind boggling. He has been able to isolate Israel well from all your crazy activities. And now he is taking advantage of the new leadership in Cairo to weaken Hamas further.

    When you are able to show 1/100 of the success that Israel has achieved in your countries, you would have earned the right to be taken seriously when you criticize Israel. Till then, you just sound foolish.

    Posted by AIG | July 21, 2014, 1:36 pm
  12. AIG

    You’ve learned well from your debates with Baathists. 🙂 Deflect legitimate criticisms by pointing to other offenses elsewhere in the world and demanding sainthood as a prerequisite of any critique of Israel. Sound familiar?

    You want liberals to “handle” Hamas? Up until very recently, Ashrawi’s organization actually had Hamas exactly where Abbas wanted them. Who rained on the parade?

    Israel did not launch this operation to deal with the “malignant problem” of rabid Islamism. It has decided that it can live with this problem fairly easily by mowing the lawn from time to time and letting a civilian population choke to death.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 21, 2014, 1:42 pm
  13. AIG said: Your tirade illustrated for me much of the problem with the liberals in the Arab world. Inside all this craziness we are going through you choose to complain and act about the US press.

    Seriously? 🙂 AIPAC has an entire wing of interns devoted to flagging mildly critical op-eds in the US and European press and mobilizing hasbarists to combat them. And you take issue with an Arab doing the same thing on a private blog? Chutzpah, I think this is called…

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 21, 2014, 1:46 pm
  14. I don’t see any difference between Israel as a failed state and the surrounding failed states. Any perceived successes in the economy is totally attributed to the American tax payer which will dry up as more and more crimes committed by the criminal regime of zionists masquarading as liberal progressives are revealed.

    On the other hand the Gulf States headed by the wisely ruled kingdom are the bastions of stability, progress and economic prosperity in this part of the world. Time has proven.

    Israel has no future in the area and it will wither just like the so-called revolutionary Arab regimes withered. Talking of being immuned while Gazza and the West Bank are aflame is like a terminally ill person who loses sense of the gravity of his state perhaps due to an actual loss of function of his sensory organs. In other words delusional.

    Any comparison to south lebanon post 2006 is childish, naive and is not even worthy of being taken seriously.

    Could you imagine a state funded by foreign tax payers becoming a G-20 and performing economically better than the other 19? And don’t jump to conclusions and spell the oil word. The growth is NOT due to oil.

    Posted by Mustap | July 21, 2014, 1:55 pm
  15. AIG,

    You are the one complaining of the terrorist khamas. They exist because of your brilliant government wanted to checkmate PLO/PA. Now your own creation has turned against you. Sound familiar (CIA and Bin laden?). As far as how excellent Israel has become…Don’t fool yourself. Deal with the issue at hand and not the Arab countries around you. Why deflect and generalize? I can’t believe destroying blocks after blocks and displacing thousands over and over again has achieved much. You are deluding yourself.

    …and you think Gaza is Lebanon?

    Posted by danny | July 21, 2014, 1:55 pm
  16. Mustap said: “On the other hand the Gulf States headed by the wisely ruled kingdom are the bastions of stability, progress and economic prosperity in this part of the world. Time has proven.”

    Which Gulf are you talking about here?

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 21, 2014, 1:58 pm
  17. There is only one GCC in the whole region.

    Do you know of any other, QN?

    Posted by Mustap | July 21, 2014, 2:13 pm
  18. QN,

    You are not understanding my argument. Is Islamism a problem mostly for Arab societies? Obviously yes. Have you been able to do anything productive about it without giving up democracy? No. Don’t expect Israel to do better or understand your own societies better. Israel has no magic way to subtly deal with the Islamists or their ideology. If you don’t want Arab societies to “choke to death” or fight civil wars or give up democracy, get off your ass and solve the problem instead of blaming others. Israelis should not care more about the welfare of Arab societies than you do. And until you show us the light and demonstrate the best way to deal with the likes of Hamas, we will do it our way. Our way may not be elegant, but it sure as hell much more productive then your methods.

    Of course I take issue with what you are doing. Who cares what AIPAC does? AIPAC was founded to do what you describe. That is their priority. Is your priority dealing with the US press? Just let me know. I have no problem that you write what you want. I have a problem with your wrapped priorities. This is what gets you writing, US press headlines, while all the other craziness is going around? While democracy in Lebanon is disappearing completely? While there is a civil war in Syria and millions of refugees in Lebanon? This is what you get excited about and motivated to write about? I just don’t get it.

    Posted by AIG | July 21, 2014, 2:14 pm
  19. Love the part by AIG that Israelis actually believe they are not part of the problem.

    That’s mind altering.

    Posted by Ray | July 21, 2014, 2:19 pm
  20. Danny,

    Where do you see me complaining? You are complaining about how we deal with Hamas without YOU having demonstrated a better way to do it. Show me results or understand that your criticism means zilch.

    We are deluding ourselves??? Are you serious? I have seen how you guys have implemented all your “liberal” advice in our neighborhood. Abject failure would be an understatement. The failure of the Arab countries around us is pretty convincing evidence that all your kumbaya ideology is BS. It hasn’t worked in ONE Arab country in the region yet. Israel’s strategy has been very successful on the other hand. When you have ONE success, let me know. Since then it is clear that you are suffering from a grand delusion. You are not willing to let facts interfere with your naive world view.

    Posted by AIG | July 21, 2014, 2:25 pm
  21. AIG:

    It’s not that I don’t understand your argument but rather that you don’t have an argument. What does fighting Islamism and understanding Arab societies have to do with over 500 killed in Gaza? Clarify your thinking, please.

    It’s very puzzling to see you chasing your tail here. When the Syrian conflict erupted, you spent many hours debating pro-Assadists whose primary defense of the regime was: “We’re fighting Islamist terrorists and it’s not our fault if they hide in civilian areas.” Your typical response was: “But you used to criticize Israel for doing the same thing!”

    Now we arrive at Gaza, and you have become the Baathist. “We’re fighting Islamist terrorists and it’s not our fault if they hide in civilian areas,” is your argument. Do I really need to point out that you have spent the last several months accusing Assad of the same cynicism?

    Israel does not get a free pass just because there is brutality elsewhere in the region. Sorry.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 21, 2014, 2:28 pm
  22. Ray,

    Of course we are not part of the problem. Is Israel stopping the presidential election in Lebanon? Is Israel stopping democracy in Egypt? Is Israel forcing Syrians to kill each other? And so on and so forth.

    Your view is the cop out. It is basically like saying Adam and Eve are the problem. Israel exists, it is a fact. Deal with it. Just like Israel built its society and did not use Arab hostility as an excuse, you should do the same. Learn to chew gum and walk at the same time. There were plenty of years in which there was quiet and Arabs could have used them to build functioning institutions like Israel did.

    Posted by AIG | July 21, 2014, 2:30 pm
  23. QN,

    Very simple, I do not have a better method to fight Hamas. I would be happy that you show me your successful methods that have worked. And no, my argument to the Syrian regime supporters was never what you wrote. What I wrote that it was darn stupid to bomb your own cities and citizens. Clearly that is not what Israel is doing. That is why what Israel is doing is productive and what the regime is doing is not. When you bomb Aleppo to smithereens, what have you gained as a Syrian? Nothing, you lose a major city. If Israel gains nothing from the current operation, then you have a leg to stand on. So far, it looks like the opposite will be true.

    Posted by AIG | July 21, 2014, 2:37 pm
  24. QN,

    “Israel does not get a free pass just because there is brutality elsewhere in the region. Sorry.”

    That one made me laugh. Are you handing passes to people now? I noticed that you didn’t give a free pass to Assad also. I’m so glad it worked for you.

    Seriously, you can criticize Israel as much as you want if it makes you feel better. But if you want respect and for your criticism to count for anything, get your house in order. Everybody can wish for unicorns and rainbows and criticize the lack thereof. The only criticism that has ANY weight is one which shows how else to deal with a problem and an actual example of the problem being solved by other means. Otherwise, you are just howling at the moon.

    Posted by AIG | July 21, 2014, 2:45 pm
  25. AIG is in the House. Get out the gauze pads….

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 21, 2014, 2:56 pm
  26. This AIG is a distraction par excellence.

    He diverted attention from all the REAL issues that were raised to one single delusion that resides only in his skull ( I’m not sure there is a better term): perceived so-called successes of Israel.

    What about the op-ed linked by QN at 1:42 PM above? Doesn’t that point squarely and evenly to an Israeli failure and a HUGE Israeli problem?

    The problem is not the existence of Israel.

    Israel has no future in this region and is as failed as those states that came into existence at the same time it did. And hence is on its way out like the others.

    Delude your skull as you may to your own pleasure.

    Only the authentic ones with deep roots in the area will survive. And you should know by now which ones are those, in addition to Egypt, Morocco and Jordan. I consider these to be successful States or moving towards success as in the case of Egypt.

    Posted by Mustap | July 21, 2014, 2:56 pm
  27. The sanctions, they will come slowly.

    I wonder if it will be Israel out of the Eurovision Song contest or the European Cup League first 🙂

    Posted by Ray | July 21, 2014, 3:03 pm
  28. Ray,

    Ah yes, the usual Arab loser rhetoric that we have heard for the last 66 years. Israel’s end is coming soon…
    If instead of worrying about Israel and its future, you would worry about your own future and do something productive, you would be in a better place.

    Posted by AIG | July 21, 2014, 3:09 pm
  29. Thanks to you, I am 🙂

    Posted by Ray | July 21, 2014, 3:15 pm
  30. AIG said:

    Seriously, you can criticize Israel as much as you want if it makes you feel better. But if you want respect and for your criticism to count for anything, get your house in order.

    One moment you tell someone to learn to walk and chew gum at the same time, and then you tell someone else that they need to walk first before they are allowed to chew gum. Disingenuous and muddy-headed, I’m afraid.

    Yes, this is Baathist Rhetoric 101. So glad you’ve mastered it. If this is the only argument you can muster to defend the operation, you must really have run out of things to say.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 21, 2014, 3:18 pm
  31. Still waiting for AIG to tell me that I’m not allowed to write to my local Providence municipality and criticize the road works that have been going on for the past two weeks in my neighborhood, because I first need to deliver the Arabs from tyranny.

    🙂

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 21, 2014, 3:23 pm
  32. Perhaps if you and your comrades also do something productive instead of burdening the American tax payers with your endless parasitic suckling, you would also be in a better place, and with a better future than approaching your eventual withering demise.

    How can a parasitic state even put forward the idea that it is the measure for success?

    Vanity and delusion knows no bounds.

    Successful my butt just like your scum of so-called elites. You’ve been just a mere illusory short lived distraction to our region just as your behaviour on this blog has been today.

    Will be back with the latest updates of the daily statistics. I don’t expect the ratio will change but the actual figures may.

    Posted by Mustap | July 21, 2014, 3:29 pm
  33. I think you are missing AIG’s argument. As I understand it, he is saying that there are no demonstrably better solutions for dealing with Hamas than the one in which Israel is currently engaged. He is not saying “fix everything wrong in the Arab world, first.” He is saying “every Arab attempt [and US and others] for dealing with these sorts of problems have been at least as violent and no more succesful.” At least I think that is his point. It wouldn’t be mine, but I think that is what he is saying.

    Posted by dontgetit | July 21, 2014, 3:29 pm
  34. On whose tally do you count the two Israeli soldiers killed by Israel, Mustap?

    Posted by dontgetit | July 21, 2014, 3:31 pm
  35. Dontgetit

    I addressed that point in my first response to AIG. Hamas is completely anemic today. They have lost their Iranian and Syrian support. They have lost their Egyptian support. They are holding on by a thread in Gaza, politically speaking. They had reached a reconciliation agreement with Fatah that gave Mahmoud Abbas tremendous leverage over them, in exchange for paying the salaries of the municipal workers in Gaza. He had them over a barrel. And now this.

    And as far as “solutions” go, I’m sorry but I can’t be so clinical about this question. There is a moral dimension that needs to be borne in mind. What ground do I have to stand on to criticize the Assad regime’s attacks on civilian areas (as I have done many, many times on this blog and in other public comments) if I look the other way in Gaza? AIG may smugly demean our refusal to give free passes to human rights violators, but I’m sorry: we do what we can.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 21, 2014, 3:40 pm
  36. Dontgetit,

    I dontgetit. What exactly are you saying?

    Posted by Mustap | July 21, 2014, 3:43 pm
  37. QN,

    You are deflecting the argument instead of addressing it head on. How is the fact that you have to build your own societies without using Israel as an excuse related to the fact that your criticism will not be respected unless you can actually point to successes in implementing what you propose? Of course they are not related. Try again.

    And of course you are allowed to write to the Providence municipality and criticize the road works. But what you are doing here is writing tho the Kansas City municipality to criticize the road works there. And you are of course allowed to do that also. But then don’t wonder why I think your priorities are completely wrapped, which is the argument you are missing. You woke up from your prolonged slumber not to write about any Lebanese issue, but about how the US press handles Gaza! So I ask, and you have not answered yet, why is this your priority? It is a simple question that you have been deflecting for several posts.

    Dontgetit summarizes my other argument well. If you think Israel is committing war crimes you are more than welcome to take it up with the authorities. We heard all this nonsense after each war in Lebanon. Lebanon is part to all the required international treaties. Yet you were not able to prosecute ONE case in the ICC, Hague or even the JCC. You couldn’t even MAKE ONE case. But you sure talked about it a lot without any evidence of course.

    Posted by AIG | July 21, 2014, 3:47 pm
  38. Dontgetit,

    So, you’re saying two out of x Israeli soldiers were killed by Israel?

    I have no information about that.

    If true, I will put those on the tally of the so-called Golani elites who apparently are so elite that they can’t even distinguish between, friend, foe or civilian.

    It will be another trophy for the Golanis, no doubt, even though the Qassams would be jealous in this case.

    If you’re letting me know that in order to modify the ratio, I will oblige on my next update. But I may have to create another category, because right now I’m only dealing with civilians vs. combatants.

    Much more complicated than the simple binary system.

    Posted by Mustap | July 21, 2014, 3:53 pm
  39. I think a fair moral question is to what degree do you allow your enemy’s use of civilians to dictate your behavior. Israel has made very clear that they often avoid targets, even call off launched attakcs, because of civilian proximity. They have released videos of specific examples. But they don’t do it every time. And, while they have been very accurate so far (and created an incerdibly high expectation of accuracy), they are not perfectly accurate. Nor do they have perfect knowledge of what is happening on the ground. So I will ask you a question – has anyone conducted a military operation in similar circumstances more fairly or more ethically than the one Israel is currently conducting? What would you do? Or is your answer that Israel may not go to war against Hamas because Hamas operates among and under civilians and has thus immunized themselves. The resistance answer is always, too bad, Israel is tainted, everything it does is tainted and it has no right to object to what its oponents do in the name of resistance. Is that your response?

    By the way, the war would be over in a few hours if Israel demolished Shifa hospital and the command and control centers underneath it. That is where Hamas is operating, which they are doing openly and, because they are in a hospital, with immunity.

    If the death toll continues to climb, as it might, consider whether it would have, in retrospect, been more humane to have ordered the hospital vacated and then demolish everything underneath it a week ago.

    As for Hamas’s anemia, the tunnels are there and are not anemic. They were built, at great cost and diversion of resources, for the purpose of killing and kidnapping Israelis. Like the rockets accumulated for the purpose of killing Israelis. Is your position that they should be ignored because of inter-Arab politics?

    Posted by dontgetit | July 21, 2014, 3:55 pm
  40. I think Israel is too Blame Again NewZ

    He had them over a barrel. And now this.

    Personally, I think this was a Zionist “false flag” operation. AIPAC funded mind-control and Zionist chemical products made the Hamas commanders fire missiles into Israel without them actually know what they were doing. This wouldn’t be the first time folks. The evil zios have their ways. Remember 9-11?

    Stuff you won’t read in the liberal/pro-arab press:

    Palestinian dead: 500 Palestinian Combatants: 0

    http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/

    What goes up doesn’t necessarily come down, in Israel…

    http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/16/idf-says-at-least-100-hamas-rockets-hit-within-gaza/

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 21, 2014, 3:55 pm
  41. Mustap – the Israeli press has reported that two of the deaths were friendly fire. At least one was killed, I think, by a tank-defense system destroying an anti-tank projectile.

    If you are counting civilian deaths you should also count Gazans killed by Hamas rockets (I am not counting the only direct Israeli death by Hamas rocket, which happens to be an Israeli Arab). Large numbers of Hamas rockets of fallen in Gaza. Hamas is not breaking those deaths out of the casualty figures, but with some work on your part you can break out the number of Hamas missles landing in Gaza – Hamas and Gazan NGOs have been releasing figures on the number of rocket launches and the IDF has been releasing fgures on the number of rockets that have landed in Israel and been shot down by Iron Dome. The difference refelects launches that never made it to Israel and landed in Gaza. A few websites have done this, but, I am less interested in this you, so haven’t bookmarked them.

    Posted by dontgetit | July 21, 2014, 4:01 pm
  42. lol – apparantly AP was hard at work on the Hamas rockets falling in Gaza issue. And I didn’t know the IDF was computing this themselves.

    Posted by dontgetit | July 21, 2014, 4:03 pm
  43. QN,

    Hamas is very weak, but that does not mean it cannot cause great harm to Israeli citizens. Just take a look at the videos of the tunnel attacks. Just imagine what harm a squad of Hamas militants could do if they had been able to get into the kibbutz which was 300 meters from the tunnel exit. With the operation strating now, they were preempted from carrying out an attack against several Israeli towns in parallel. The Israeli press calls this the Israel 9/11. Would ONE tunnel have been destroyed following the “reconciliation”? Of course not. It is all wishful thinking on your part.

    Hamas were not holding on by a thread in Gaza politically. That is just no true. Who would have replace them? They would have stayed in power for a very long time. Abbas had a better position over them, but they were not over a barrel. The people of Gaza would just have continued suffering under Hamas rule. Fatah was not an alternative at all. And if not them, who?

    Of course there is a moral dimension, we can agree on that. And the Israeli government’s moral responsibility is first and foremost to its own people. There is no way to fight Hamas not in civilian areas. There is no way to blow up the tunnels which start in houses without fighting there.

    Posted by AIG | July 21, 2014, 4:07 pm
  44. AIG said: “How is the fact that you have to build your own societies without using Israel as an excuse related to the fact that your criticism will not be respected unless you can actually point to successes in implementing what you propose?”

    I don’t know. How is it? I didn’t make that point, you did, when you said that we should “sort out our own houses” before we complain about Gaza. Try at least to be an authority on your own arguments before complaining about mine.

    AIG said: “You woke up from your prolonged slumber not to write about any Lebanese issue, but about how the US press handles Gaza! So I ask, and you have not answered yet, why is this your priority?”

    The purpose of this post is to direct people to aid organizations that are working to help civilians injured or made homeless in Gaza. If you think I have my priorities upside down, what does that make your little tirade exactly? Your top priority is apparently to whine about why I haven’t been blogging more often about non-Israeli subjects. If I’m writing to Kansas City, you’re writing to Alaska, my friend.

    This blog has been dormant because I have been working on three books simultaneously, as part of my new job. When I have some time, I try to weigh in on what what’s happening in the 21st-century Middle East. If you miss me that much, I can send you a framed poster to hang on your wall, which might tide you over until I get tenure and can get back to blogging more often.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 21, 2014, 4:11 pm
  45. So . . . to shift the discussion topic to Lebanon, which is, I assume, the blog’s primary focus. What do you think Hezbollah is seeing in Gaza? Are they encouraged by what Hamas has been able to do with its long range rockets (reach all of Israel)? Or discouraged by the low number of Israeli casualties. Are they encouraged by the operational freedom Hamas has enjoyed by embedding among civilians, or concerned that that they won’t receive the same loyalty in a less uniform population. Or are they not even ooking south, being preoccupied with Syria. Or am I missing something else entirely?

    Posted by dontgetit | July 21, 2014, 4:15 pm
  46. Dontgetit,

    I think your apparently fair question misses the mark and is not so innocently fair

    We know, according to Israeli sources, that Israel has been calling civilians in certain areas asking civilians to vacate their houses because their houses will be destroyed.

    Such calls are the most damning evidence against Israel and the most immoral in this whole affair. They are a clear admission of a declaration of war against the CIVILIAN population and NOT against Hamas.

    Anyone who has a home has the right to defend it with whatever means available, including supporting Hamas if it is the only means available.

    So in the end we go back to the most basic square one. We have an invader who is seeking to subjugate another country. It is the aggressor who is at fault here. If you want to go back all the way to the early 1900, we know who the aggressor was and still is. Even in this case it is not proven that Hamas was behind the killing of the three teens, and we never hear anything anymore about the torched Arab teen.

    There is a huge difference between internal Arab wars and a war with an invading foreign entity. Arab wars are mostly civil wars. I can fight with my brother. It is none of anyone’s f#cking business.

    This is a war with a body perceived to be foreign by the whole region and even by those states which signed a treaty with it. It is perceived to be an aggressive body seeking to expand at the expense of the locals who consider the country as their rightful historic homeland.

    Posted by Mustap | July 21, 2014, 4:21 pm
  47. BTW, compared to what I see on the rest of the web, the level of discourse and civility in the QN comments pages is quite high and is something for which we should all be appreciative. Our host is owed a thank you (along with the participants).

    Posted by dontgetit | July 21, 2014, 4:23 pm
  48. Hizbullah and Hamas could not be more different organizations, and that goes for their operational contexts as well. If Hizbullah is studying anything in this conflict, it probably has to do with the Iron Dome’s capabilities. That said, Nasrallah apparently called Meshaal yesterday in a show of solidarity.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 21, 2014, 4:23 pm
  49. QN,

    Come on, you were mashing my two statements together instead of looking at each one on its own. I explicitly wrote that if you want to be taken seriously you should put your house in order, not that you shouldn’t criticize Israel. In fact, I keep saying that you are more than welcome to do so.

    I am not complaining about the blog being dormant. I am asking why even though you live in Providence you complain about the roads in Kansas City? Again, you are welcome to do so, but I keep asking, why is that your priority? I am really interested in knowing. And how do you jump to any conclusion what my top priority is? I am just responding to an issue you are raising. I enjoy reading and commenting on your blog, but I do not determine the topics discussed here, so how is it my priority?

    Posted by AIG | July 21, 2014, 4:26 pm
  50. “AIG may smugly demean our refusal to give free passes to human rights violators, but I’m sorry: we do what we can.”

    I am not “smugly demeaning” I am mocking. Because when you say that you do what you can, it usually means that you have done something, not nothing. And your track record (meaning that of liberal Arabs) is zero, zilch, nada. And I say this with pain and frustration, not smugness. If liberal Arabs had sway in their societies the middle east would be in a much better place, including Israel.

    Posted by AIG | July 21, 2014, 4:34 pm
  51. QN: Why do you say Hams and Hezbollah are operationally different? They seem to have many similarities (accepting that tactics change over time). To wit – neither fights as a standing army and relies on guerilla tactics; both rely on missiles and rockets to project force indiscriminately. Both rely on embedding personnel, munitions and launch sites within civilians to limit the enemy’s freedom to strike at them; both hide underground and in civilian structures to protect from ariel bombardment and as a tactical advantage against enemy troops. Hizbollah has been different in Syria, for sure, but there they were fighting a very different enemy and could not rely on the civilian support of their base.

    I agree that they are politically very different.

    Posted by dontgetit | July 21, 2014, 4:35 pm
  52. AIG: I don’t understand why you mock liberal Arabs for doing nothing. What do you want them to do? They have no power and no ability to effect change. And, with some notable exceptions, no ability to even express their opinion unless they are living abroad.

    Posted by dontgetit | July 21, 2014, 4:37 pm
  53. Lebanon, is of course, different. As is the PA controlled areas (somewhat), Morocco (a little) and maybe a couple of other places.

    Posted by dontgetit | July 21, 2014, 4:52 pm
  54. AIG said: “I am asking why even though you live in Providence you complain about the roads in Kansas City? Again, you are welcome to do so, but I keep asking, why is that your priority?”

    Over 80% of the posts on this blog are categorized as relating directly to Lebanon. Less than 2% are related directly to Israel. Spare me the lecture about what my priorities are.

    AIG said: Because when you say that you do what you can, it usually means that you have done something, not nothing. And your track record (meaning that of liberal Arabs) is zero, zilch, nada.

    What would a productive track record look like to you, exactly? I’m sorry but I am not a soldier. I’m not going to start a militia. I use my limited abilities to do my part in raising awareness about the political challenges my country faces. I do this on my own time and for no personal gain. No one is paying me to write this blog, and in most cases no one is paying me at the periodicals I occasionally write for. Most self-identified “liberals” are in the same boat: we join campaigns, we sign petitions, we go to marches, we donate to causes we believe in, and most importantly: we talk and talk and talk about the problems of our societies and the things that must be done to fix them.

    Talking is underrated. See under, Jeremy Bentham (in Dewey’s discussion of him).

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 21, 2014, 4:52 pm
  55. Again, we need to make it clear that Israel is an evil state engaged in an evil war against the CIVILIAN population and not against Hamas as some are arguing here.

    Israel must be dismantled because it has proven throughout its short lived history to be evil.

    The end of this evil entity is in sight.

    The fight is not between liberals and nonliberals. It is a fight to eradicate evil and aggression.

    Posted by Mustap | July 21, 2014, 4:54 pm
  56. Mustap: most of your post really makes no sense. I asume that is the point.

    As for the torched Israeli teen, his killers are in jail, and the Israeli government ruled that he is considered a victim of terrorism, just as the Jewish Fogel family whose throats were slit in the middle of the night in their Itamar home by Amjad Awad and Hakim Awad. That means Mohammed Abu Khdeir’s family is entitled to certain benefits, his murderers will face tougher sentencing, and his death will be memorialized by Israel along with all of its other victims of terrorism. That seems appropriate to me.

    Posted by dontgetit | July 21, 2014, 5:04 pm
  57. Dontgetit,

    May be they don’t make sense to you because you dontgetit. Is this something characteristically unique in you?😄

    No, that’s not the point of my posts and I’m not playing a role as you have done in the past.

    Is the Khudair affair the only thing you found worthy of getting at? Then you’re just a distraction like this other Israeli Guy, and you’re making even less sense than him. We know why he’s here. So why are you here all of a sudden? And I believe I have the right to question you on this based on your comrade’s incessant abuse and harassement of the blog owner questioning the owner about his motives, when he should be the one to be questioned.

    Again, your previously posted so-called fair moral question is neither fair nor moral and you need to re-address my previous reply in its entitety and not just one single issue:

    1) Is Israel not declaring war on the civilian population of Gazza by asking the Gazzans to vacate their homes in order to destroy them? I find this issue more important than the selective apparent justice to the Khudairs….

    2) Are the Gazzans not entitled to defend those homes by whatever means available including supporting Hamas if it is the only means available? I find this question even of higher importance than again you guessed it…

    3) Did Israel not invade another country and thus is the aggressor in this case? Again this is far far more important than you know what….

    4) does anyone one know for sure that Hamas was behind the killing of those three teens? Of utmost importance….

    5) has not Israel been the aggressor since at least 1948. The most important of them all….

    6) I have the right to fight with my Arab brother and that’s none of anyone’s business. Don’t you think?

    If you find these questions don’t make sense to you, then you also make less sense than your apparently innocent question.

    And I am really amused with your vague sources regarding how many Gazzans were killed by Hamas. My sources tell me the answer to that question is zero.

    So what do you want? Play dumb again? And dontgetit?

    Start by tellng us why today of all days you showed up.

    But don’t forget the other questions conveniently itemized for you above so you would not fail to get it.

    I

    Posted by Mustap | July 21, 2014, 5:37 pm
  58. May be they don’t make sense to you because you dontgetit. Is this something characteristically unique in you?😄

    No, that’s not the point of my posts and I’m not playing a role as you have done in the past.

    Is the Khudair affair the only thing you found worthy of getting at? Then you’re just a distraction like this other Israeli Guy, and you’re making even less sense than him. We know why he’s here. So why are you here all of a sudden? And I believe I have the right to question you on this based on your comrade’s incessant abuse and harassement of the blog owner questioning the owner about his motives, when he should be the one to be questioned.
    >>>>> yes. The rest of your post consists of foolish questions.
    Again, your previously posted so-called fair moral question is neither fair nor moral and you need to re-address my previous reply in its entitety and not just one single issue:
    >>>> I don’t need to do anything, but I feel gratefull to you for the amusement you have provided until now and am happy to oblige. I think I was a better resistance zombie than you, though.

    1) Is Israel not declaring war on the civilian population of Gazza by asking the Gazzans to vacate their homes in order to destroy them? I find this issue more important than the selective apparent justice to the Khudairs….
    >>>>>This is an example of a questionthat makes no sense and I will ignore it.
    2) Are the Gazzans not entitled to defend those homes by whatever means available including supporting Hamas if it is the only means available? I find this question even of higher importance than again you guessed it…

    >>>>>> I am not sure what they are doiing to defend their homes. Until this war started, their homes were not under attack. Had they defended their homes from Hamas locating themselves and their rockets nearby, they would be in better shape. Obviously, Hamas’s actions have nothing to do with defending Gaza from anaything but are a good way to get Gazans killed with nothing gained.

    3) Did Israel not invade another country and thus is the aggressor in this case? Again this is far far more important than you know what….
    Israel has invaded Gaza, whatever it is (I think it should be a country) following an aerial war that was not effective to destroy Gaza’s ability to harm IsraelHamas

    4) does anyone one know for sure that Hamas was behind the killing of those three teens? Of utmost importance….

    >>>>> The killers do. I don’t. What I do know is that Hamas actively called for Israelis to be taken as hostages and that the primary suspects were Hamas members and appear to have been operating in an organized fashion. That doesn’t mean they were doing it at Hamas’s request at that particular time. As a member of the unwashed public, I know no more than that.

    5) has not Israel been the aggressor since at least 1948. The most important of them all….

    >>>>> Do you have a pancake on your head?

    6) I have the right to fight with my Arab brother and that’s none of anyone’s business. Don’t you think?
    >>>>> It is certainly none of mine. I don’t what your brother thinks of that.

    If you find these questions don’t make sense to you, then you also make less sense than your apparently innocent question.

    And I am really amused with your vague sources regarding how many Gazzans were killed by Hamas. My sources tell me the answer to that question is zero.

    So what do you want? Play dumb again? And dontgetit?

    Start by tellng us why today of all days you showed up.

    But don’t forget the other questions conveniently itemized for you above so you would not fail to get it.

    Posted by dontgetit | July 21, 2014, 6:03 pm
  59. I think either way dontgetit, playing a role or playing yourself, the term zombie which YOU picked clearly describes you.

    It is obvious…

    Now we know why you’re here.

    Typcal Zionist distractionism when they get cornered: you, AIG and the AP.

    Posted by Mustap | July 21, 2014, 6:18 pm
  60. Look!!!! There is a bunny over there.

    Posted by dontgetit | July 21, 2014, 6:32 pm
  61. Operationally, Hamas has greatly benefited from Hezbollah’s coaching:

    “One officer, a veteran of Gaza operations, who left the fighting area for a few hours, told Haaretz: “I’ve been to Shujaiyeh before, but I’ve never seen it – or Hamas – like this before. Their equipment and tactics are just like Hezbollah. Missile traps and IEDs everywhere – and they stay and fight instead of melting away like in the past.”

    ….snip

    “But while the problems of operating in a cramped urban environment are well-known to the IDF from previous operations in Gaza, the level of Hamas fighting and relative professionalism has surprised the IDF to some degree.

    “It’s not a disaster, we can still handle them and we’ve killed many more of their fighters than they have ours but they are certainly one level above what I would have expected” said one IDF officer. “You can see they have learned both from Hezbollah and from watching us.”
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.606414/1.606414

    Hamas missile/rocket launchings also mimic the pattern utilized by Hezbollah.

    Posted by lally | July 21, 2014, 6:50 pm
  62. That is what it seems like to me. And I assume, with Hamas having the more recent experience now (vis-a-vis the IDF, not FSA/ISIS), the training will soon go the other way.

    Posted by dontgetit | July 21, 2014, 6:57 pm
  63. “Look!! There’s a bunny over there”

    You win the internet today.. Let’s shut it down boys.

    Posted by Vulcan | July 21, 2014, 7:16 pm
  64. DGI…..according to Ephraim Halevy, Hamas considers ISIS the enemy. Will that hold? Zionists everywhere had better hope the hell so. They are already in Gaza and the zionist dummies have once again plowed the fields and readied the land for ISIS kudzu.

    Everybody but everybody wants to clone Hezbollah. Lord knows what their experience of integration with the SAA is doing to boost their institutional knowledge of how to make war on the scale of a state’s armed forces. Hopefully, lucky Lebanon will someday be able to formally incorporate Hezbollah assets into her own self defense.

    Speaking of Lebanon….BRAVO!!!!!

    Posted by lally | July 21, 2014, 7:26 pm
  65. I bet that I don’t get it is a paid professional propagandist. AIG is an proper IDF terrorist and his outburst of anger at his QN Arab friend shows that he is a real person. The other one is more methodical and clear in writing the typical hasbara bullet points.

    Palestine shall win.

    Posted by 3issa | July 21, 2014, 7:27 pm
  66. Are you freaking dreaming? Why don’t you trace the root cause of “Khamas” being supported. Israel has barricaded the small crowded area and has treated its population with utter disdain. I will not say third class citizens…When people have very little left to live for; they will explode.

    Danny,

    Ok. So I’ll repeat for the upteenth time, what should Israel have done differently? Israel tried to engage Hamas years ago and all Israel got was dead Israelis. I eagerly await your reply. Now the anti-semites use that bit of history to blame Israel for “creating” these radicals. The same radicals who threw PLO supporters of roofs.

    It is obvious you are always on defensive. This explosion did not happen overnight. It was a long time coming; and YES mainly due to the stupidity of Israeli governments’ behavior.

    Please. We aren’t talking about Lebanon, and I’m much more familiar with Israeli policy and history.

    To moderate our views, it is always a good idea to put one’s feet in another person’s shoes. In that spirit, I ask you what PM Nut and yahoo should have done differently.

    I asked this question to a few people on SC and every time I get silence.

    But is it just me and my jewish genes when I hear Obummer, Swiftboat, and Ban Moon popping blood vessels demanding a halt to the violence? I mean, where the FUCK have been the past 3 years?

    And now I can lay into our friend AIG who was in love with Obummer’s foreign “policy” of weakness. No one is listening these Frequent Flyers. BB should shove earplugs deep into his ear canals, until the poor Hamas leadership is confronted like Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 21, 2014, 8:40 pm
  67. Lil’s Yellow Colored Glasses NewZ

    Everybody but everybody wants to clone Hezbollah.

    Lil,

    Let’s hold a free multiparty election in Lebanon and Syria and find out. But before go through all that trouble, we should vote here.

    Did someone find the wabbit rabbit?

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 21, 2014, 9:10 pm
  68. I wouldn’t raise my hopes much, if I were you lollypops, about a possible HA rescuscitation outcome out of this saga.

    Not a single Arab that I talk to doesn’t burst into uncontrollable endless laughter about Hassouna and his HA these days when the duo are mentioned. Hassouna and the HA are terminally ill and in need of eventual burial as a dark chapter that needs to be closed. Only thing he can do now is to continue to exhaust Lebanese (shiite) youths in the Syrian wilderness. Here are some facts you may have missed deliberately or otherwise:

    1) A recent video shows scores of HA recruits running for cover where there is none in the wilderness of the Qalamoun while Nusra and other hunters are in pursuit sniping them one by one. Estimates of kills are in the upper two digits. It reminds me here that eliteness status is again attributed to the wrong party as in the case of you know who down south in Gazza.

    2) Compensations for mercenary duty in Syria has now been slashed in half due to budgetary constraints. The slahing affects both aspects of compensation i.e. Regular periodic payments and eventual burial costs paid to beneficiaries who are more furious than ever about unfullfilled and false promises.

    3) You have better luck convincing our President one or two months before he leaves office that HA is worthy of emulation than an ordinary Arab these days including those in Gazza.

    But, as a diehard resistance fan, your attempt, I would say, to capitalize on the achievements of the Gazzans, while expected, is rather cynical and abundantly obvious. It deserves a high mark in disingenuousness. Very disappointed. Usually, you’re much more subtle.

    Posted by Mustap | July 21, 2014, 10:00 pm
  69. Back to you dontgetit,

    Did you capture your moral and fair bunny? Hope yoiu didn’t lose it.

    The recent tally indicates that seven more so-called elite Golanis were hunted down today while you were busy figuring out your moral compass chasing your fair bunny.

    Figure out the maths when you have the time.

    O, and before I forget. The Golanis also scored: 100.

    All CIVILIANS.

    Posted by Mustap | July 21, 2014, 10:48 pm
  70. By the way dontgetit or zombie whichever one you like. I’m giving you GOI figures not Qassam’s.

    Qassam claims 23 kills from the Golanis since Monday morning. The truth could be somewhere in between. It will get very muddy from now on.

    Posted by Mustap | July 21, 2014, 10:53 pm
  71. I have known this poster for years. He is an American Jew with family in Israel. He has long been unsettled by changes there. A polio victim, he contributed wheel chairs to the Turkish flotilla. He is an honorable man.

    This is an account of his wounded nephew’s Golani Brigade tale:

    jdledell said…
    I finally had a chance today to talk with my nephew, a captain in the Golani Brigade. He’s in the hospital in Ashkelon with a bullet to the shoulder.

    He confirmed that the situation in Gaza is a lot different than the last time they invaded. He said last time the IDF went in, they merely obliterated everything in front of them. They did not pay much attention to their flanks or rear. The IDF was supremely confident that this time would be no different giving no respect to Hamas’ fighting abilities. The IDF knew there were lots of tunnels but there are A LOT more tunnels than expected.

    The APC that was totaled with 7 deaths happened when a Hamas member popped up thru a precut hole in the cement sidewalk and fired an anti-tank missile to the side from like 10 feet away and then disappeared back down the hole.

    My nephew was shot from a house where not 60 seconds before, the IDF had gone in and declared it totally empty. Two other members were wounded when Hamas gunmen suddenly appeared to their rear, 5 or 10 feet from the IDF men.

    While he out of action, he reports that IDF movement has slowed considerably as they are being a lot more cautious than when they first entered Gaza. All the rubble from IAF bombing has made movement difficult as well as giving Hamas great hiding places.”

    ……….

    “The IDF was supremely confident that this time would be no different giving no respect to Hamas’ fighting abilities.”

    Do tell. And hubris comes a calling. Again.

    Posted by lally | July 22, 2014, 12:34 am
  72. Now that I have seen this mysterious AIG in action, I owe it to AP, who once painted to me a grandiose picture of AIG’s abilities in conducting discussions.

    Time to shatter your conceptions zionist Akbar. Here’s how AIG’s abilities best described.

    He has the physical characteristics of a drum reflected into his abilities (or lack thereof) in debating. How should you understand this picture? It’s very simple. He makes noise loud like a drum which is the reflections of the hollowness inside it. In other words there is nothing inside and you get nothing to the ouside besides the noise.

    That’s as much as I owe Akbar.

    Best advice to those who want to engage with this drum is to throw away the beating sticks.

    But all zionists are trained in this noise production technique. So the advice applies whenever you meet a Ziobio entity.

    Posted by Mustap | July 22, 2014, 3:39 am
  73. Israeli crocodile tears over Syria are finally exposed. Incredible hypocrisy.

    Posted by habib | July 22, 2014, 3:58 am
  74. Hi folks

    I’m going to be absent from the comment section for most of today, as I have to finish an over-due article. Please keep it honest here.

    Thx

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 22, 2014, 7:23 am
  75. Must see video of Arab BBC journalist violently shoved live on air.

    Posted by Ray | July 22, 2014, 8:43 am
  76. Ray,

    Thanks for the info. This is unheard of. How far will the zios go to “defend” their so-called country?

    Other small points not worth mentioning:

    Well over 100 journalists KILLED is Syria (for those interested)…

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_during_the_Syrian_Civil_War

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 22, 2014, 10:22 am
  77. What do a 100 journalists killed in Syria have to do with an Israeli shoving an Arab speaking journalist of the BBC live on TV in Tel Aviv?

    Posted by Ray | July 22, 2014, 11:47 am
  78. Ray,

    I’m with you buddy, I only care about what happens in Israel. And if I was the arab speaking journalist, I would sue the Israeli thug for every shekel he has. What chutzpah!

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 22, 2014, 11:58 am
  79. I’m not sure what you are saying there, bro?

    You must be an Arabic speaker, just like that Angry Jewish non-Arab Semite, that heard and understood the vile and foul language being transmitted by that BBC’s Arab channel and justifiably tried to put an end to it?

    Posted by Ray | July 22, 2014, 12:01 pm
  80. I was shoved several times over the course of my life, so I can sympathize with the journalist. Tragic.

    “I bet that I don’t get it is a paid professional propagandist. AIG is an proper IDF terrorist and his outburst of anger at his QN Arab friend shows that he is a real person. The other one is more methodical and clear in writing the typical hasbara bullet points.

    Palestine shall win.

    POSTED BY 3ISSA | JULY 21, 2014, 7:27 PM”

    I am going to check my not-an-idiot privilege, 3ISSA, and respect your cultural right to believe in stupid, conspiracy theories and not tell you that you that you are wrong about me, though you, of course, are. Does that make me an Orientalist?

    Posted by dontgetit | July 22, 2014, 12:04 pm
  81. Dontgetit,

    You must have underestimated yourself when you picked that Z word to describe yourself up above when you were busy creating noise.

    3ISSA was NOT talking about you in that comment.

    If you want to know how I know, it is because I know what 3ISSA knows that which you think you know is unknown but to the very few who know.

    But now you’re telling us you’re a full fledged Zio Z? Good to know some unknowns.

    Did you do the math yet? Or you don’t know? Hope again you didn’t lose your bunny. O, please forgive me. Obviously, you don’t know.

    I’ll update you with a new tally later today. I’ll do the math if I have the time. I do care about minimizing the unknowns.

    Posted by Mustap | July 22, 2014, 12:46 pm
  82. Right now, if I was President Obama, I’d send #KevinSpacey as Ambassador to #China, #Schwarzenegger as Ambassador to #Russia and #SamuelJackson to #Israel.

    This s**t needs sorting out!

    Posted by Ray | July 22, 2014, 12:48 pm
  83. Ray,

    Who would you send to Syria and Iraq? That shirt needs sorting out too. No?

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 22, 2014, 1:16 pm
  84. #DennisRodman to #Syria.

    Will get back to you shortly on #Iraq.

    Posted by Ray | July 22, 2014, 1:22 pm
  85. Sorry, Ray, but Rodman is already working the North Korea file. Maybe a Kardashian is available.

    Posted by dontgetit | July 22, 2014, 2:50 pm
  86. Yes, Vulcan, before the Gaza offensive, no one here had anything to talk about. Imagine that.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 22, 2014, 4:18 pm
  87. Wow, I didn’t know QN blog is on par with the likes of Jon Stewart, when it comes to the attention of the zios.

    Jon was harrassed by 5 zionists on a nationally televised show.

    QN, yesterday, was instantly assigned 2 Zionists and a third already resident on site for the task.

    Congratulations, Elias you’re just two nothches below Jon. Keep up, you’ll soon be a national super star.

    Posted by Mustap | July 22, 2014, 5:19 pm
  88. Now, we begin our daily Gaza tally as usual.

    Today, unlike previous days, we start with the elite achievements of the so-called Golani elites. We leave the Qassam scores till the end.

    70 Gazans mostly women and children were elitely claimed kills by the elite Golanis. However, there is more to eliteness than first meets the eye. Today also, the elites of the above mentioned Golanis adopted the well known elite methods of carpet bombing, which we know we will be told that this is common currency in this part of the world and we only need to make a short peek across the borders up north to Syria to satisfy ourselves, and we should rest assured than in Gazza it is being elitely executed. In addition, the use of phosphorous munition has been elitely adopted by the elitely celebrated brigade. These elite methods claimed several elite direct hits of sports stadiums, UNRWA schools, hospitals, high rises, homes, mosques, refugee camps etc, etc, etc…. Most of the elite carpet bombings are concentrated in the north, east as well as the south of Gaza. They haven’t yet reached the centre except from the sky above. In total, since day one, it looks like the Golanis elitely claim 668 elite kills of mostly women, children and elderly. They seem to have also elitely claimed destroying houses of some militants that turned out to be empty. Since we only take seriously claimed kills of of the adversaries as announced only by the affected party, the Qassams credit the Golanis with two kills from their ranks since the morning.

    What about the Qassams? The Qassams are still enjoying high spirits despite the tremendous odds stacked against them. They have attacked several settlements outside of Gaza and continue to engage the Golanis (sorry elite Golanis) in the north, east and the south. As of this writing, the GOI credits the Qassams with two kills since the morning, one of them appears to be high ranking. However, the GOI insists that those Qassam kills of the two Golanis can by no means be described as elite kills as in the case(s) described above. The GOI also threatened any journalist with prohibition and denial of press credentials if s/he ever describes any Golani kill by the Qassams as an elite kill. It also served notice to every journalist that the term elite kill will soon be a trade mark of the Golanis under applications already filed with proper agencies world wide. Violators will be subject to severe penalties under some kind of law, also patented to the GOI worldwide. In total, it appears Qassam now is credited with 28 confirmed Golanis kills since day one. However, the Qassams dispute this figure and they’re talking in three digits.

    Posted by Mustap | July 22, 2014, 6:22 pm
  89. You might have seen the latest video of that Palestinian civilian hurted and lying on the floor then being executed by a coward terrorist sniper.

    There is also that blurry image of the 3 kids running on the beach hunted down by zionist invaders then shot dead (along with another boy).

    Who is perpetrating these crimes? Is it not the terrorist army of Israel supported by 91% of the population?

    How can you even try to reason with these savages? What do you say when boycott is not enough? What the hell are they doing? The Zionist occupiers are no better than the butchers in the neighboring countries.

    Posted by 3issa | July 22, 2014, 6:57 pm
  90. The Tel Avi (formerly Jaffa) airport of the rogue state Israel is now being viewed by the rest of the world as as safe as Mogadishu’s airport. Massive gain for Hamas.

    Posted by 3issa | July 22, 2014, 7:37 pm
  91. Threesa’s Stump Question of the Day

    How can you even try to reason with these savages?

    Threesa,

    I would reason with these “savages” the same way Egypt and Jordan did.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 22, 2014, 8:10 pm
  92. Charles Krauthammer offers a different narrative than our biased owner Dr. Elias.

    We hope Professors are open to learning new things like his students…

    http://m.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-moral-clarity-in-gaza/2014/07/17/0adabe0c-0de4-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 22, 2014, 10:35 pm
  93. The ambassador His Wise Majesty declares at the UN Israel a war criminal.

    Who is this Krauthammer idiot when Majestic Wisdom speaks?

    Elias, you have the Force behind you.

    Posted by Mustap | July 22, 2014, 11:01 pm
  94. Good viewing… from a ‘self hating Jew’ lol

    Posted by Maverick | July 23, 2014, 1:15 am
  95. I’ve been trying to put into words exactly how I feel about this whole thing.

    1. Though any loss of human life is to be lamented, I do not have more sympathy for the Palestinians killed in Gaza than I do for the victims of MH17. Here’s why.

    2. Israel’s response to weeks of Hamas missile barrage was completely predictable. It happens every time. Hamas launched this barrage without any military provocation, and they are not stupid. They knew what was going to happen, they wanted it to happen, and they hoped that world opinion would immediately be aroused in their favor. I do not think the conclusion is escapable that they deliberately caused the death of their own citizens for political gain.

    3. As far as I can see, most news headlines have have been about the bloodshed in Gaza. But you also have to remember the adage in the news world that goes: “‘Dog bites man’ — that’s not news. ‘Man bites dog’ — now that’s news!” Israel has a reputation for invincibility, and so Israeli losses are more newsworthy than Palestinian losses. My guess is that if you looked at headlines in the Arab press early on, you’d likewise see a lot more boasting about Israeli losses than lamenting about deaths in Gaza. (Of course, Israeli invicibility is a myth.)

    4. Every time Israel retaliates against Arab missile attacks, people talk about how many Arab deaths there are compared to how few Israeli deaths. I really don’t understand why people think Israel should not attempt to stop the missile barrage just because Hamas has bad aim. Their aim is not getting worse; it’s getting better. Any country would fight back when under direct military attack.

    5. I am also surprised at QN’s comment about Israel’s “mowing the lawn”. Every time the lawn is mowed, it’s been in response to rockets being fired from among the weeds. No rockets, no lawn mowing. It’s simple, and Hamas understands this, and they fire the rockets anyway. Go figure.

    6. Having said all this, when it comes to underlying causes, I’m far more sympathetic to the Palestinians, even Hamas. It’s clear to me that Netanyahu has deliberately raised the bar to any form of understanding by making demands that Israel has never made before.

    (a) explicit recognition of Israel as a Jewish state. Nobody has ever had to do this before — not Egypt, not Jordan, not the United States when it recognized Israel.
    (b) demand for an Israeli presence on the Jordan.

    7. It’s also clear to me that Netanyahu has engaged in directly provocative behavior. Specifically:

    (a) Immediately accusing Hamas of responsibility for the murder of the three Jewish boys. I have never seen any evidence for this and I strongly doubt it.
    (b) Clamping down on Gaza and the Palestinians after the PA/Hamas coalition. Instead of seeing this as a possible motion toward compromise by Hamas, he saw it as a move away from compromise by the PA, despite Hamas’s agreement to stand by a truce (as I understand it).

    8. So it seems to me that Netanyahu created an environment where the Israeli terrorists who committed the depraved murder of a Muslim youth thought that murder would be deemed acceptable to the Israeli public. Thus, in his recent actions, Netanyahu in fact baited Hamas into their ill-conceived missile barrage.

    9. But Hamas, as smart as they are, were not quite smart enough not to take the bait.

    10. Finally, we note that the world now seems to be as tired of hearing about Palestinian victims as they are of hearing about the Holocaust. The politicization of victimhood bores me. Then again, as you know, i’m only a dog (iOAD™).

    Posted by samadamsthedog | July 23, 2014, 3:07 am
  96. QN,

    Your main complaint to your resident neo-Nazi about Israel’s actions, is that they disempower the overtly collaborationist Liberalist clique in Ramallah. You then casually equate Syria’s actions with Israel’s, as if fighting totalitarian outfits like ISIS is analogous to starving and murdering civilians in the name of fighting a people’s liberation movement like Hama’s.

    This blog is the perfect metaphor for Arab Liberasim falling prey to and being subsumed by a mixture of Salafist and Zionist narratives.

    Posted by masoud | July 23, 2014, 3:32 am
  97. Good try Masoud. But so obviously disengenuous.

    QN did not say what you claimed he said.

    QN essentially said two wrongs do not make one right. It is a very simple universally agreed upon platitude.

    If you want to fight IS(IS) no one is stopping you and certainly Assad is welcomed to drop few of his airborne barrel bombs on their heads instead of consuming his stock on residential neighborhoods. But do not use a scape goat (IS) as an execuse to sanitize an equally murderous Syrian regime. Almost everyone here agrees that this regime and several others like it are spent ammunition and have no future. Most are gone now and he too will go. The resident zionists here are yet to be convinced that their regime also shares similar fate like their failed neighbors.

    If you haven’t noticed soon you will. Resident zionists will immediately jump at your free gift and try to prove to the confused that in fact two wrongs do make a right.

    Elias must be a genius. He is using according to you the Zionists and the so-called Salafists to lift his blog to wards stardom status. Otherwise, what brought you in here today and what is this sudden interest in the well being of the blog?

    Posted by Mustap | July 23, 2014, 4:18 am
  98. Well said.

    Posted by 3issa | July 23, 2014, 4:27 am
  99. It seems the salafist echo is trying to engage just anyone…anyone..only to hear the echo of its own static…

    SATD, Good stuff.

    Posted by danny | July 23, 2014, 7:20 am
  100. SAMADAMSTHEDOG,

    Good post. Here are my opinions overlapped with yours:

    1.) Any loss of innocent loss is tragic. I don’t quite understand why Palestinian lives are more important than the lives of other arabs, but I think it has something to do with jews not being muslims.

    2.) agree

    3.) agree very much

    4.) yes, and when Palestinian deaths are presented (as tragic as it is), they are presented as non-combatants.

    5.) agree very much. Western campuses are flooded with “resistance” types. Check Daniel Pipes “Campus Watch” to see the hundreds of anti-zionist professors packing our college campuses.

    6.) Demands are demands. They are starting points. Where are the counter offers? Arafat had a fairly good package about 14 years ago, but did not provide a counter offer after his rejection.

    7.) Disagree. Partly. Clearly the GOI was upset with the Hamas/PA unity deal (details unknown to me). After the 3 were kidnapped, BB made the IDF aggressively find the 3 kids and the perpetrators. His aim was to drive a wedge between the PA and Hamas during the search. I think this is a fair game, because I think that Hamas is a islamic terror organization and has no intention of making peace, especially when their charter calls for killing of jews.

    8.) The killing of the arab youth was despicable. The jewish community overwhelmingly believes it was despicable and counterproductive. The GOI apprehended the murderers (the Palestinians NEVER apprehend murderers of jews and usually glorify them). These murders will rot in jail and if it were up to me, they’d be hung.

    9.) Hamas isn’t that stupid. I think they’ve done a good job fucking up Israel, which, of course, is their goal.

    10.) True. How many times can the world listen to beggars when they go on killing sprees? Not for too long.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 23, 2014, 8:15 am
  101. This here should be a research center on cognitive dissonance… Good times!!

    Posted by Vulcan | July 23, 2014, 8:27 am
  102. Idiots guide to rules of engagements:

    When you shoot someone down, you’re not engaging him. You’re easing him out and giving him the least amount of incentives to engage you.

    When you lick someone else’s ass as in SATD, good stuff, you’re begging your alter ego for attention in hopes of becoming relevant because your true self is soooooo frustrated by its own impotence. It’s sometimes called piggybacking and has implications of parastic behaviour.

    Too bad, it doesn’t seem to have worked out so far between you and even the most competent of all zios.

    If he responds to you as a challenge to this, which I suspect he will, then welcome even before you say thank you. I’m just helping two fans of criminals to find their ways to each other’s arms for the sake of true love. A free gift to a pathetic incompetent wannabe out of concern to your health. Chronic non vented anger combined with extreme sense of frustation will have severe negative impact on your blood vessels.

    But here’s another idiots guide to imitating other’s:

    Imitation is the highest form of praise: As in you imitating noise=static. Where did we first read this on this thread?

    Posted by Mustap | July 23, 2014, 8:29 am
  103. Thanks SATD. Interesting comment.

    Masoud said: “Your main complaint to your resident neo-Nazi about Israel’s actions, is that they disempower the overtly collaborationist Liberalist clique in Ramallah.

    My principal complaint is that there are several hundred civilians who have been killed and thousands more injured or made homeless. The point about disempowering Fatah was made in response to the question about how to “deal with” Hamas.

    You then casually equate Syria’s actions with Israel’s, as if fighting totalitarian outfits like ISIS is analogous to starving and murdering civilians in the name of fighting a people’s liberation movement like Hama’s.

    It is a reality that the Assad regime has killed far more civilians in the process of fighting “totalitarian outfits like ISIS” over the past few years than Israel has killed while fighting Hamas. This is not a matter of falling prey to Zionist narratives; it’s a fact. Assad’s army bore down with greater force and inflicted more civilian casualties when fighting the FSA than it has while fighting ISIS… Why was the FSA not a people’s liberation movement but Hamas is?

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 23, 2014, 9:31 am
  104. Masoud, looks like QN is a Zionist.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 23, 2014, 11:05 am
  105. …Assad’s army bore down with greater force and inflicted more civilian casualties when fighting the FSA than it has while fighting ISIS.

    Assad never fought IS(IS) except briefly from the air, after IS swept through northern and western Iraq, as a side show and propaganda ploy aimed strictly at soliciting US approval for Assad’s real aims against the other rebels when the US was (and still is) in a state of confusion after IS’s initial shock and awe.

    This is called sanitizing a murderous and criminal regime by proxy or by using a scapegoat.

    Likewise IS can never be credited with having engaged in a single battle against Assad. IS cannot even claim to have captured a single roadblock from Assad or those acting on its behalf.

    Posted by Mustap | July 23, 2014, 11:06 am
  106. Netanyahu used the murder of the three teens to clean up Hamas in the West Bank. Hundreds of Hamas members were arrested including those freed in the Shalit deal. This has led to the current round of hostilities. Yes, Bibi did not like the unity government, but rhetoric aside, he was actually empowering the PA and Abu Mazen.

    Posted by AIG | July 23, 2014, 11:13 am
  107. Abu Mazen is currently the least important figure in both the West Bank and Gaza as well as anywhere in the Arab world as a result of the last two weeks of escalation.

    Arresting Hamas activists only serves to fuel Hamas’ popularity when it was previously on the way down.

    BB Neten must be a hell of a strategist: I better have a Hamas on the other side of the table than an Abu Mazen. How else can I outfox Kerry when and if the next round comes up?

    So now we have motive and the death of the three teens may have been orchestrated by BB himself.

    Posted by Mustap | July 23, 2014, 11:25 am
  108. “Netanyahu used the murder of the three teens to clean up Hamas in the West Bank. Hundreds of Hamas members were arrested including those freed in the Shalit deal. This has led to the current round of hostilities. Yes, Bibi did not like the unity government, but rhetoric aside, he was actually empowering the PA and Abu Mazen.”

    That’s exactly right. Except it is not empowering anyone. For a supposedly democratic country (as you profess); these actions were outright illegal as it had nothing to do with the crime. The plan was from the outset creating misery in Gaza; presumably to change the tide of sympathy away from Hamas to the PA. It is too simplistic and it did not work before and won’t work now.

    Hamas, IS, ISIS, HA, Nusra etc; they are all funded by Qatar/KSA/Iran to further their own agenda. In Iran’s case setting up a beach head north of Israel…In the KSA/Qatar’s case; it is a crude attempt to subvert the Iranian plans.

    Both parties are complicit in playing politics with the other Arab’s lives. As for Israel it is reaping the benefits. It has created enough chaos and distraction; that all discussions of the two state solution and Palestinian statehood have been shattered (for a while).

    Posted by danny | July 23, 2014, 11:50 am
  109. Insinuations against the wisely ruled kingdom falls under the category of desperate noise (static) production.

    The wisely ruled kingdom never tolerates rogue elements to operate within its domain. The rule of law is paramount and the citizens are the happiest in the whole region, including this midget of a statelet they call Israel.

    I’m not sure about Qatar. But they too are a happy bunch. I was told they’re happiest not only compared to the region but in absolute terms on the world scale, and they do follow certain laws.

    Don’t offload your previously held revolutionary misconceptions, now obviously utterly failed, on those who refused to be misled by your own created follies, and preferred proven wisdom as opposed to your foolish choices. Pay the price and learn from your own pitfalls.

    Posted by Mustap | July 23, 2014, 12:53 pm
  110. The irony of this new Gaza conflict is that it overshadows the development of the IS Caliphate in Syria and Iraq.

    Saudi Arabia is getting majorly shafted here. So is Iran.

    A good question is: Who finances the IS and why ?

    Posted by Ray | July 23, 2014, 1:44 pm
  111. Danny,

    Arab societies have again and again shown that the moderate majority cannot stand up to determined Islamists unless the society decides to use force against them or give up any semblance of liberal democracy. Palestinian society is not different. Without Israel’s help, Hamas would be ruling the West Bank also.

    Battling the Islamists in “legal” ways is very naive. It cannot be done. In the West Bank Israel applies military law and nobody claims the West Bank is democratic.

    Posted by AIG | July 23, 2014, 1:51 pm
  112. QN,

    Sayed Kashua is a drama queen. What happened to “sumud” by the way? Compared to the countries around Israel the guy really has “white people’s” problems. Societies at war are not tolerant. Complaining about Israeli tolerance when it is clear Israel is 100 times more tolerant than its neighbors comes off as childish whining.

    He has the same problem you have, the childish belief that if you talk or write about something, you can actually solve problems in the middle east. You guys can meet and talk in the US. Let us know what you come up with. As always we eagerly await to be enlightened. Just as a suggestion, please try your ideas on your own societies and let us know what actually works.

    Posted by AIG | July 23, 2014, 2:01 pm
  113. Problems cannot be solved by talking or writing? What a strange idea.

    Apologies, I see that what you actually wrote was that talking and writing can’t “…solve problems in the Middle East.” Ahh, that must be because the Arabs only understand force. Gotcha.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 23, 2014, 2:21 pm
  114. Ben Wedeman on “pinpoint” operations…

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 23, 2014, 2:28 pm
  115. Gee if all the Christians and arabs leave Israel… But wait, the christian and arab communities in Israel are growing…

    Anyway, Sayed sounds like a nice guy. Please tell him I would have listened to him if I lived in Jerusalem…

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 23, 2014, 2:38 pm
  116. “Ahh, that must be because the Arabs only understand force.”

    How did you jump to that conclusion? There are also Kurds and Jews for example in the middle ease. It is very simple, show me ONE major problem that was solved in the middle east in which talking was the predominant factor.

    I never said Israel does “pinpoint” operations nor is this term or its Hebrew equivalent used in Israeli discourse. We acknowledge that there is collateral damage and that it should be minimized. The question is how much collateral damage is acceptable. The Israeli air force is the ONLY ONE in the world that has a special operations research team that decides on the kind of bomb and fuse for each and every bombing in order to minimize collateral damage. The results of Western warfare are not pretty for the population on whose territory the war is conducted. If you think you can do better, you are welcome to create a better army. You have no idea what you are talking about and never had to make the decisions that Israeli commanders make everyday. As usual, collect your evidence and go to the ICC or whatever. You cannot even make a case.

    Posted by AIG | July 23, 2014, 3:23 pm
  117. AIG said: “It is very simple, show me ONE major problem that was solved in the middle east in which talking was the predominant factor.”

    What qualifies as a major problem? To take just the Lebanese case, is it not relevant that the country has managed its difficult political and geo-strategic position for the past 25 years mostly through talking? There have been wars and internal conflicts, but the constant talk-fest that is the Lebanese press and public sphere has played an undeniable role in mitigating social tensions. But maybe you had something else in mind.

    If writing and talking are of no use in solving problems, then what is? Violent struggle? I’m not so hypocritical as to call for others to die in the service of a cause that I can comfortably afford to champion from the safety of my computer. If there is any hope for peace and stability, I believe that more writing and talking should be cultivated, not less.

    As for pinpoint operations, the UN has already established that the IDF (and Hamas) were responsible for war crimes in the last Gaza conflict. I imagine they will reach similar findings this time around.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 23, 2014, 4:09 pm
  118. QN,

    I see, so talking AFTER years of civil war in which 150,000+ people die is your definition of solving a problem by talking. There is no war in Lebanon because the civil war is still living memory and people know that this is futile. And how is the talking in Lebanon a solution? It merely paralyzes the state, it does not solve its problems.

    The UN established Israeli war crimes in 2009? Really? At most they said that there is a possibility that there were war crimes, just like that are saying today. Again, it is easy to allege anything. If you have the evidence go to court. What happened to all the war crime allegations from the second Lebanon war? Were the Lebanese too lazy to even bring ONE to court? What exactly is your excuse for this repeated pattern of talking nonsense without backing it up with any concrete action? The explanation is simple, your allegations are false and you cannot establish them.

    Posted by AIG | July 23, 2014, 4:19 pm
  119. “If writing and talking are of no use in solving problems, then what is? ”

    How about starting a company and providing good wages to people? You see around you all the time what makes people’s life better. Is it really abstract discussions and rhetoric?

    Talk as much as you like, but at least be honest with yourself enough to determine when talking is not doing the job. Because you are so committed to your worldview, you keep banging your proverbial head against the wall while mumbling to yourself that this will eventually work.

    Posted by AIG | July 23, 2014, 4:37 pm
  120. AIG

    Lebanon could very easily still be at war. That it is not is partly due to a process of talking about the conflict and reminding each other of its destructiveness. The cliche about how the war “is still a living memory” means nothing without daily reminders, and these reminders take the form of a national conversation. In the same way that talking can push people to go to war (as we’ve seen in the radical mosques in Tripoli), talking can also act as a pressure release.

    You have not answered my question about what the alternative is to talking, as far as solving problems is concerned. Do you have a magic powder to sprinkle over problems and make them go away? No, of course not.

    Yes, it’s easy to allege anything. And if you don’t like the accusations, you deride the messenger. Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, the UN… what is to stop you from declaring the ICC illegitimate? Israel is not even a party to the statute.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 23, 2014, 4:46 pm
  121. AIG said: “How about starting a company and providing good wages to people? You see around you all the time what makes people’s life better. Is it really abstract discussions and rhetoric?”

    🙂

    So let me get this straight. In your ideal world, there would be no writers, no teachers, no journalists, no thinkers, no college professors… Just business owners. And soldiers to protect their businesses. Anything else?

    No talkers! Just job-creators.

    You crack me up.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 23, 2014, 4:49 pm
  122. QN,

    Come on. Don’t create straw men. The argument is that talk alone does not improve people’s life. You have to actually do something. Who are you teaching exactly and what are you accomplishing when you and other Lebanese “thinkers” are having discussions? My argument is that talking has its limits and in fact your methods have failed in our region; your argument is that it is effective. The facts do not support your position.

    “And if you don’t like the accusations, you deride the messenger.”
    I am not deriding anything. YOU are making a legalistic claim. The onus is on you to prove it in court, make a case. Again, what happened to all the allegations from the Second Lebanese War? I mean, so many allegations and why not even ONE action? Lebanon is part of all the required treaties, so Israel does not have to be. The war crimes you alleged happened were on Lebanese territory. Yet you haven’t even bothered to prosecute ONE. Worse, you accuse me of deriding messengers. What has that got to do with anything. If you have good evidence that can stand in court where you prove war crimes, do it. Otherwise, you are just spewing hot air.

    Posted by AIG | July 23, 2014, 5:11 pm
  123. With regard to the 2006 war, you raise a good question. The reason why Lebanon has not pursued this case at the ICC is because it is not a member state. It is also not a signatory to the Rome Statute. I would be curious to know the history of this decision, which probably has something to do with concerns among some parties in Lebanon of the ICC being used against its members because of war crimes allegations. This is an interesting article that addresses the issue.

    With regard to the 2009 Gaza conflict, the Palestinians actually did pursue the case with the ICC, which ultimately ruled that it could not accept it because the PA was not a state.

    AIG said: “My argument is that talking has its limits and in fact your methods have failed in our region; your argument is that it is effective. The facts do not support your position.”

    If you believe that education and the exchange of ideas do not play an essential role in society, then I don’t really know what to say. I’m not trying to construct a straw man; I’m just trying to understand what you are actually arguing, which is very odd.

    With regard to “doing something” productive, there are plenty of good companies in the Middle East that pay good wages to their employees. Lebanon has a decent middle class. That solves many problems, you are right, but so does the exchange of ideas.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 23, 2014, 5:31 pm
  124. QN,

    While your humanitarian efforts for the Palestinians is noble, we also have some Christians who need your help as well. I know your busy…

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/23/purged-by-isis-iraq-christians-appeal-to-world-for-help/

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 23, 2014, 5:32 pm
  125. What Hamas has been accusing the GOI of with regards to lies about number of kills is now verified to be accurate.

    Several Israeli soldiers were arrested for leaking news of Israeli dead through social media. Most families also learned of their members’ deaths days before getting informed by the government and through the same social media.

    Hamas now is applying for the trade mark insignia of pinpoint kills for its Qassams after Israel claimed the elite kill trade mark status. Hamas included documented evidence of all their kills with the application showing 100% rate of pinpoint kills.

    Hamas’ application may get approved much sooner than Israel’s. Israel is yet to do the same as Hamas and provide documented justification for its application.

    Posted by Mustap | July 23, 2014, 5:32 pm
  126. A good piece by Mohammad Omer. The narrative seems to be shifting, at least today.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 23, 2014, 5:39 pm
  127. The Zionist terrorists are trolling this blog. Why baby killer AIG and dumb Palace are here writing and trying to engage with Arabs? Honestly, do you ask yourself while you are typing what’s the point ?

    Posted by 3issa | July 23, 2014, 5:39 pm
  128. Another Israeli lie exposed:

    Hamas did mot refuse the ceasfire. Hamas is saying, even today, you started this escalation and you’re already in a state of war with us through the blockade. Cease ALL hostilities including lifting the blockade and we will cease fire.

    Seems straightforward to me.

    Posted by Mustap | July 23, 2014, 5:41 pm
  129. It seems clear from these exchanges that AIG condones the current Israeli action on the basis that Hamas is an extremist Islamist group that the Palestinians have been unable to control, and therefore Israel has been forced to. Poor QN seems to be expected to achieve this end also before being permitted an opinion on world mattrs, oddly the very reason we all plug in here.

    AIG equally accepts that Netanyahu has used the killing of the three Israeli tenagers as a pretext to target Hamas. All the other window dressing aside it seems a pretty basic argument that AIG, like the state of Israel, feels it is justified to take whatever level of action necesary against the Palestinian people regardless of legal norms and international conventions, in order to do so.

    AIG’s mockery of the ICC is a reminder of his position where the legal norms protecting non-combattants during ‘war’ are considered vastly irrelevant to the action undertaken. At least for Palestinians.

    Posted by Aida | July 23, 2014, 5:49 pm
  130. “If you believe that education and the exchange of ideas do not play an essential role in society, then I don’t really know what to say. ”

    Of course education and ideas play an important rule. But they don’t solve all problems. Go exchange some ideas with ISIS. Tell me how that goes. My argument is simple. Talking does not solve all problems or even most of the big ones in our region. Sometimes you need to fight. You reject this out of hand despite the evidence.

    Yes, “the narrative is changing”. If you say so. We heard the same exact nonsense in 2006 and 2009. Let’s wait one year from today and let’s see who has profited, Israel or the Palestinians, from the latest violence.

    Posted by AIG | July 23, 2014, 5:52 pm
  131. In other words this Israeli troll is saying, if Israel finds an opportunity for benefits through violence then it’s perfectly OK for it to do so.

    Now that is nothing but sheer terrorism according to all dictionaries and would even beat IS.

    The question begs itself: you don”t believe talking can solve your problem(s), why are you here still talking?

    Posted by Mustap | July 23, 2014, 6:02 pm
  132. “Sometimes you need to fight. You reject this out of hand despite the evidence.”

    I’ve never rejected this principle; I’ve simply been honest about the fact that I am not a soldier. If I were living in a village terrorized by ISIS, I would probably be compelled to join a militia to defend my family, but I’m fortunate not to have to make that choice.

    You laugh at the idea that the narrative is changing, but it seems obvious that there is a world of difference in the way that the Arab-Israeli conflict is understood in the West today, relative to 15 or 20 years ago. That may change again, or it may not make much of a difference to facts on the ground.

    But I think it is a positive development for the welfare of the most vulnerable in the conflict.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 23, 2014, 6:05 pm
  133. Because this is their duty as supporters of the despised entity in the ME. They come forward because they are the most educated and polite (yet terrorist in the tone) of the colonists herd. The other (91%) protest in the street chanting death to Arabs or give talks in University on how Arabs understands only when their “women” get raped. This is all factual.

    Posted by 3issa | July 23, 2014, 6:09 pm
  134. 3issa

    It seems the you are being devoured by hatred. Be careful whose ranks you’d be joining. There’s nothing wrong in listening to them even though they think hammering away is the answer. Of all the nations they should not be advocating violence.

    Posted by danny | July 23, 2014, 6:23 pm
  135. Thanks to the genius strategy of Netenyaho, Khaled Meshaal is now flashed on the front pages of all major Arab news media and not the poor and lonely Abu Mazen.

    And these are media that previously used their unlimited resources to keep Meshaal out of the lime light and away from public exposure.

    While Kerry is touring the area, it would be wise for him to drop by for an audience with the guy. After all, it is better to get to know him before the next round. And who knows? he could be the one who would score a victory for Kerry even on this trip. Heaven knows Kerry very badly needs one at the moment.

    Posted by Mustap | July 23, 2014, 7:11 pm
  136. A strong piece by Michael Young on Gaza.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 23, 2014, 7:26 pm
  137. Danny, I’m seriously not hating for the sake of hating. It’s just that sometimes, civilians murderers have to be called by their name. They can try to spin in the way they want, butchers needs to be reminded of what decent people think of them. But do not worry, I’ve been graced by being a chilled out dude 🙂

    Wa salam

    Posted by 3issa | July 23, 2014, 7:31 pm
  138. Danny,

    It is clear to me, and trying to be as objective as I can, that Israel is judged at a different level than any other country in the world.

    It is just the fact, that no other country would be blamed like Israel while 2000 missiles have been landing all over the country. Of course this blame is concentrated in two groups anti zionists and antisemites, so this is still a minority.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 23, 2014, 9:37 pm
  139. If you’ve read the article then kindly help the humanitarian war effort in line with your main article and provide the full text instead of just a link

    This is because I decided from now on not to provide funds to any zionist establishment, even those that are apparently liberal. Instead, I will divert the funds to the Gazan relief as your main article is suggesting. In other words, I am not willing to pay the $1.00 subscription fee to Haaretz for 4 weeks to read the article. I will put that buck in the pocket of a Gazan instead of a zionist’s pocket. If it’s not possible to provide the full text for some reason or another, then it’s also alright. I will forsake the reading.

    I find this approach to have double rewards. In other words any dollar you take out of the pocket of a zionist that you potentially want to spend and instead put it in the pocket of a Gazan is equivalent to contributing two dollars instead of just one.

    Also for Eid, no visits to Shwartz establishment even though it’s partly owned by non zionist Celine. All expected expenditures now and in the future including costs of flying couriered orders will go to Gaza.

    I will also contact all my associates and will try to convince them to start a similar campaign.

    Posted by Mustap | July 23, 2014, 11:24 pm
  140. I didn’t pay for it. Read it on Facebook.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 23, 2014, 11:29 pm
  141. Michael Young is wrong on every count because he does not understand Israel and its strategy. Israel does not want to weaken Hamas politically and does not care if they have support in the Palestinian street. We want to make sure they can’t harm Israeli citizens. We are taking care of the tunnels, an asset that has taken Hamas years to build and was a real threat. Whatever happens, Hamas will say they won, just like Hezbollah in 2006. But of course 8 years later, we know that Israel was the big winner. Israel’s border with Lebanon was never more quiet. Can someone remind me what happened to the Sheba Farms rhetoric? What happened, are they Lebanese now? Young spouted the same nonsense about the 2006 war as he is about this war.

    Every point Young makes is nonsense and just wishful thinking and bad judgement. With Egypt clamping down on the smuggling tunnels, it will be much more difficult for Hamas to rebuild. As for better weapons by Hamas, did Young predict the Iron Dome success? Of course not. I would wager the creativity and resourcefulness of Israel against all Arab countries combined, let alone Hamas. Young is also not listening to Israeli politicians. If Qatar continues funding Hamas, they will pay a huge price. http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/President-Peres-accuses-Qatar-for-financing-Hamas-terrorism-368579
    Young also forgets the alliance of convenience between KSA, Egypt and Israel against the MB and its offshoots as well as Iran. This is unprecedented in Israel’s history.

    Everyday, Israel’s lead over its neighbors grows both economically and technologically. And in the next 2 years the huge offshore gas resources will start contributing to the GDP only making Israel stronger.
    Of course you may disagree, but when people disagree about the future, you need to wait and see.

    Posted by AIG | July 24, 2014, 12:49 am
  142. The wisely ruled kingdom considers Israel an enemy state. Egypt follows the instructions of the kingdom in all matters relating to Gaza. The kingdom was the first state to declare Israel a war criminal based on its recent aggressions.

    Qatar which has 4 times per capita income of a parasitic Israel living off foreign tax payers doesn’t give a shit about Israel or its so-called president for that matter.

    Only a delusional fool would assume such a thing as an alliance of convenience between a murderous entity and Egypt and KSA exists and banks on such assumption.

    Posted by Mustap | July 24, 2014, 1:29 am
  143. Hamas rejects another cease fire. The resistance pros continue their support; no questions asked.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/24/kerry-attempts-to-coax-cease-fire-agreement-out-hamas-as-gaza-violence-rages/

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 24, 2014, 7:37 am
  144. AIG

    The situation in Lebanon since 2006 is more complex than you say. Hizbullah has completely rebuilt its arsenal. You may say that Israel doesn’t care what HA does with its arsenal as long as the border stays quiet, but there is no guarantee that it will remain quiet forever. No one imagined that HA would openly commit its fighters to Syria and take hundreds of casualties but when the circumstances called for it, they did the unimaginable. Hamas has much less to lose in Gaza than HA does in Lebanon, and I think both organizations believe that there are more wars on the horizon.

    If your thinking is symptomatic of that of the Israeli leadership, and it seems to be the case, then the fundamental question that Young is asking remains valid: “Israel has no victorious endgame in Gaza. It can kill, but unless it moves toward giving the Palestinians independence, its problem will become increasingly unmanageable. Israel will continue to flounder in explaining how open-ended repression can be sustainable.”

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 24, 2014, 7:57 am
  145. The Israeli government’s response to the kidnapping and murder of the three Jewish youths in the West Bank a few weeks ago suggests that Netanyahu’s government did, indeed, choose to respond politically in an effort to weaken Hamas. Whether that will be the outcome of the present escalation, only time will tell. But (like Michael Young), I doubt it.

    Posted by Jim Reilly | July 24, 2014, 8:24 am
  146. Jim, there’s always an excuse to fire rockets. There’s always an excuse not to agree to a cease fire. There’s always an excuse why Gazans are destitute. Always an excuse why tunnels are more important than jobs. Always an excuse why jews aren’t allowed to defend themselves.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 24, 2014, 8:41 am
  147. “Israel has no victorious endgame in Gaza. It can kill, but unless it moves toward giving the Palestinians independence, its problem will become increasingly unmanageable. Israel will continue to flounder in explaining how open-ended repression can be sustainable.”

    You see, our world view is just totally different. Israel wins by developing Israel, economically, technologically, education wise, etc. This is how we measure victory. We are playing a very long term game. Israelis create Waze and hundreds of other successful companies. We develop weapons we sell all over the world. We are a world leader in desalination technology, etc. Hamas builds tunnels and home made rockets while there is 60%+ unemployment in Gaza. Who is going to win despite all the rhetoric?

    Everyday that passes without a war with HA, Israel’s strength grows. Of course a war with HA will hurt Israel. But nothing will remain of Lebanon’s infrastructure and economic base. HA understands that. Not to mention that in about 10 years you are going to have to deal with a radicalized and frustrated population of Sunni refugees from Syria that is now incubating in Lebanon. Those 8 year old kids are going to be 18 in 10 years, and will expect Lebanon to take care of them, not Syria.

    Our problem is going to be explaining “how open-ended repression can be sustainable” according to Young. Seriously? The world is waking up to the notion that democracy in the middle east cannot come at the cost of stability. If you want a good solution to the Palestinian problem, create democratic countries around us. Because now, all we need to do to “explain” is tell people to look what is going on around us.

    Posted by AIG | July 24, 2014, 9:59 am
  148. AIG said: “Israel wins by developing Israel, economically, technologically, education wise, etc. This is how we measure victory… Who is going to win despite all the rhetoric? Everyday that passes without a war with HA, Israel’s strength grows.”

    You have a strange, unhealthy, Charlie Sheen-like obsession with “winning” and measuring Israeli “success” in relation to its neighbors. What does this have to do with the current discussion? The issue of Israel’s prowess in desalination technology is irrelevant: we are talking about its relationship to the Palestinians and to Gaza specifically.

    You can have the most powerful economy in the world, but it will not make the Palestinian issue go away. I am actually in agreement with you about how societies should measure “success”, but that is a different discussion altogether.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 24, 2014, 10:35 am
  149. Rami Khouri on Gaza.

    Why he didn’t mention desalination technology is beyond me.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 24, 2014, 10:45 am
  150. “Our problem is going to be explaining “how open-ended repression can be sustainable” according to Young. Seriously? The world is waking up to the notion that democracy in the middle east cannot come at the cost of stability. If you want a good solution to the Palestinian problem, create democratic countries around us. Because now, all we need to do to “explain” is tell people to look what is going on around us.”

    You didn’t even do what you said the countries around you should do in your own backyard. You just admitted up above that you have apartheid set of rules for one set of people and another set of rules for another.

    What are you? A most pathetic hypocrite?

    Posted by Mustap | July 24, 2014, 11:04 am
  151. QN,

    I only discuss winning when you bring to the table argument’s that Israel is losing. I can ask, what is your obsession with that? The question is whether Israel’s strategy is working or not.

    Rami Khouri to me is a sad joke. All this whining and “there must be another way” rhetoric. Instead of telling his readers they find another way, how about telling them what to do? Better yet, how about implementing it. Truly the Khouri article epitomizes what is wrong with your (liberal Arabs) thinking. You have no solutions because you are not willing to accept reality as it is. We live in a world as it is, not as Khouri or you wish it to be. Accept reality and forge solutions based on it, instead of copping out because you do not like your alternatives.

    Posted by AIG | July 24, 2014, 11:41 am
  152. This has already been pointed out as a tangent to the subject by QN, but the troll continues to insist on making it THE subject. Parasitic Israel is NOT the leader in desalination. Saudi Arabia is the leader WORLDWIDE. It too will soon be the world leader in solar power production providing solar power generated electricity not only to its people but also to the surrounding countries including Egypt,

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-23/saudis-start-production-at-world-s-biggest-desalination-plant.html

    http://saudi-sia.com

    Posted by Mustap | July 24, 2014, 11:41 am
  153. …we are talking about its relationship to the Palestinians and to Gaza specifically.

    QN,

    I would like to see a relationship with Israel and all her neighbors, including the Palestinians, but I think the resistance camp believes this is a one-way street. Israel can’t force that relationship just like Israel can’t force the Palestinians to sign any type of peace agreement. The news media seems to put the onus on Israel for the lack of a peace agreement, and you may agree with that, but it takes two signatures to make an agreement. I believe the Palestinians feel a final agreement is akin to their own death.

    Right now, the US can’t speak directly with Hamas and Hezbollah because they have been deemed terror organizations. Considering their charters, rhetoric and actions, I can’t disagree with that.

    Just to refresh your memory, the closest the GOI and the PA came to an agreement was 2000/2001, when Arafat was wondering which stone in the Old City was Palestinian and how many inches Israel could come from underneath the al Aksa Mosque. Of course the counter offer never came and the details of how the two countries were to work together never surfaced. The consensus was Arafat couldn’t deal with a finalization of “all claims”. He would then have to focus on building his state instead of using the resistance excuse. But it was pretty close in terms of who got what land. The “peace” part of these negotiations is always less tangible and more difficult to enforce.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 24, 2014, 11:46 am
  154. QN,

    Have fun discussing how the US press covers Gaza. I know, I know, “you are doing what you can”. Forgive me for thinking that is pathetic and a waste of time on your part. Get a few US congress persons to support you. Now that would be something useful.

    Posted by AIG | July 24, 2014, 11:49 am
  155. QN,

    Seriously, why don’t you and Abu-Nimah, instead of wasting time on democracy now, which hardly anyone listens to, make a concentrated effort to lobby US politicians? What good does yelling nonsense at JJ Goldberg do?

    Posted by AIG | July 24, 2014, 12:05 pm
  156. AP and AIG

    There have been missed opportunities on both sides. No one disputes this. But if we are honest, the relevance of negotiators has been negligible and the impact of those in search of a political solution has been minimal in comparison to the effect of war and facts on the ground.

    I have to sign off now. Too much work to do.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 24, 2014, 12:14 pm
  157. QN,

    Thank you for the interesting discussion. I hope to pick it up when you have more time.

    Posted by AIG | July 24, 2014, 12:39 pm
  158. Mustap, are you really that dumb? Or you have your head so far up your king’s wise ass you can’t think anymore. Buying the technology and the experts to run it, doesn’t make you a leader in the field.. Why don’t you just shut up and let the grown ups discuss the issues.

    Posted by Vulcan | July 24, 2014, 12:59 pm
  159. Vulcan,

    You need to shut up.

    I know what I’m talking about from first hand experience. You’re just a kid. And I don’t mean it in terms of how old you are.

    This time I will limit to what I said above. Next time, there’s no guarantee.

    So behave yourself.

    Posted by Mustap | July 24, 2014, 1:18 pm
  160. Your guide to Saudi Arabia, particularly to the big mouthed:

    Saudi Arabia is NOT buying technology. It is making it at home.

    http://www.solargcc.com/saudi-arabia-solar/

    http://www.desalination.biz/news/news_story.asp?id=6243

    The saudi university cited in those links was the only Arab university to make it the the top 500 world ranking, its main focus is on science and technology.

    http://www.shanghairanking.com/Academic-Ranking-of-World-Universities-2013-Press-Release.html

    Posted by Mustap | July 24, 2014, 1:34 pm
  161. Another liberal dreamer…

    Just so no one gets bored.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 24, 2014, 2:08 pm
  162. Follow up mascara for your eyes only V. Explore the research centres of KAUST courtesy of His Wise Majesty,

    http://www.kaust.edu.sa/research-centers.html#rc1

    Posted by Mustap | July 24, 2014, 3:14 pm
  163. Whats up with the bullshit and racist news on the Internet ?

    Can you save your links for a weekly BS Newsletter? I like to kick back on Sundays and read what’s been going in the average zionist brain.

    Posted by 3issa | July 24, 2014, 3:18 pm
  164. Don’t mind this bullshit from the resident zionist. He’s competing for a scholarship from the war criminal center of bullshit research.

    Posted by Mustap | July 24, 2014, 4:41 pm
  165. Hey, how is the night treating you from atop the hills near Gaza? Hope it’s not too chilly and that the mosquitos are not spoiling the bombings show. Heard the popcorn has a special taste up there.

    Posted by 3issa | July 24, 2014, 4:59 pm
  166. The terrorists need more cash.
    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/israel-gaza-hamas-democrats-bill-iron-dome-109286.html?hp=l16

    So where is all that “Waze” money and the other fruits or Israel’s successes ? From What’s app maybe? Perhaps the King Solomon dates lollllll

    Posted by 3issa | July 24, 2014, 5:08 pm
  167. Let’s keep the language clean, please.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | July 24, 2014, 5:43 pm
  168. B***S*** was not appropriate. Sorry ustaz

    Posted by 3issa | July 24, 2014, 5:44 pm
  169. Conspiracy theorists rejoice. Meet your newest ally in most unexpeced of all places. Sen Ted Cruz has some far reaching theories of his own,

    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/24/aipac-deploys-its-senate-5th-column-for-israel/

    Posted by Mustap | July 24, 2014, 6:53 pm
  170. The West Bank has just joined the fight. Over 10000 West Bankers confront Israeli occupiers. Two killed many wounded.

    Posted by Mustap | July 24, 2014, 7:15 pm
  171. jdledell said…
    Here is a Halakhic ruling from Rabbi Dov Lior of Kiryat Arba. I have to listen to him every time I visit my niece and her family.

    “The Torah of Israel guides us in all walks of life, private and public, on how to behave during war and also how to keep moral standards.
    The Maharal from Prague (Rabbi Judah Loew – A.K.), in his book Gur Arye, clearly writes that… in all wars the attacked people are allowed to attack fiercely the people from whom the attackers came from and they do not have to check if he personally belongs to the fighters.
    Therefore, during war the attacked people are allowed to punish the enemy population in any punishment it finds worthy, such as denying supplies or electricity and also to bomb the whole area according to the discretion of the army minister and not to just simply endanger soldier’s lives but to take crushing deterrence steps to exterminate the enemy.

    In the case of Gaza, the Minister of Defense will be allowed to instruct even the destruction of Gaza so that the south will no longer suffer and to avoid harm to our people who have been suffering for so long from the surrounding enemies.”
    Any kind of talk about humanism and consideration are moot when speaking of saving our brothers in the south and in the rest of the country and bringing back quiet to our country.”

    This is the current mentality of the settlers but it has also infected the rest of Israeli society, especially the IDF which has drawn an increasing number of its recruits from the settlement communities. In Israel talk of EXTERMINATION has increased dramatically. The parallels between American treatment of Native Americans and reservations is increasingly used in Israel for justification of the end result of the conflict with Palestinians. I think my people are losing their moral compass.

    Reply 24 July 2014 at 11:51 AM

    Posted by lally | July 24, 2014, 7:28 pm
  172. Moral Compass Alert

    I think my people are losing their moral compass.

    Lilly,

    Which government has a charter which advocate killing jews behind talking supernatural trees, Hamas or the GOI?

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 24, 2014, 8:39 pm
  173. Today Israel achieved another level of eliteness.

    In less than three days, Israel succeeds in erasing the second UNRWA school in Gaza while it was packed with women and children. As you would guess they all died elitely with full elite compliments of the elites.

    Qassams are still living up to their tradition of pinpoint strikes claiming 16 such kills in total from among the elite brigades since the morning. Israel conceded 3. There are no more social media activitists among the soldiers to verify which claim is the more accurate. They have all been arrested, then awarded grants to work on the tweet research projects where they can be put to better use than getting pinpointed by the Qassams.

    Posted by Mustap | July 24, 2014, 8:56 pm
  174. A (little) bit OT…. As a purely tactical matter, i find myself wondering whether Israel’s apparent reticence to commit more fully to a Gaza offensive might be due to fear of attack from the North; and whether any further Hamas offensive might be accompanied or even preceded by a pre-emptive attack on Hezbollah.

    Posted by samadamsthedog | July 25, 2014, 4:53 pm
  175. Just hears CNN talking about reports in washington to increase financial support to israel for the iron dome. Wow. I guess the US weren’nt so impressed by your list of humanitarian assistance organisations.

    Posted by Aida | July 25, 2014, 6:37 pm
  176. Dog,

    IDF is not afraid of HA. Actually it would not mind bombing Lebanon to kingdom come and finish off Iran’s trump card…It might make life miserable in Israel for a few months…But HA and Lebanon will be forever buried under HA’s BS rhetoric!

    Posted by danny | July 25, 2014, 8:06 pm
  177. My oh my, QN is turning into…

    Me!

    On a lighter note, any word from the Iceman? Is he deputy Caliph of Daiish by now?

    Posted by Gabriel | July 25, 2014, 8:58 pm
  178. What’s the news with HA anyways? The entire Arab world is in flames. I don’t think HA has much time for La Resistance these days.

    Posted by Gabriel | July 25, 2014, 9:00 pm
  179. Danny and Dog.

    Israelis are too afraid of HA’s 70>100,000 rockets/missiles/drones/”surprises”. They would be criminally stupid NOT to be concerned. Israelis responsible for Israel’s security have to deal with the what is; political rhetoric only serves to muddy the lens.

    In general, the consensus is and has been that neither HA nor Israeli wants war. Does the IAF have enough assets ie men and materiel carry out their attack on Lebanon plans as known? Prolly not, Gaza is using those assets up at a quicker clip than anticipated. A campaign on Lebanon would require a green light & a massive airlift of ordnance, etc from Uncle Freier.

    But, context being key, Gaza is not going as planned and requires Israel’s full attention. Taking on battle-hardened Hezbollah right now would probably face resistance from those in charge of implementing war.

    Some American Congressmembers might think the IAF should flatten Lebanon, though. They are our national shame.

    Aida.

    “Wow. I guess the US weren’nt so impressed by your list of humanitarian assistance organisations.”

    The WH would be accused of anti-semitism and unmanliness should we directly support aid $ toward “little snakes”, their mothers and Hamas fighters.

    As an American, I have to consider whether or not directing aid Gaza way could be construed as providing succor to terrorists.

    Posted by lally | July 25, 2014, 9:00 pm
  180. On a lighter note, any word from the Iceman? Is he deputy Caliph of Daiish by now?

    Gabby,

    Long time. But a douche here sounds very much like the iceman. Except this one is a bit more morbid. Hope you are enjoying the cold summer. 😀

    Lally,

    It is Nassy who is blowing smoke up his ass. He has been BS ing all day today. talk is cheap. Let him try! BTW this is not 2006. His backside is totally exposed. 100,000 rockets or not makes no difference. Let Nassy try to lob ONE bullet!

    We heard enough of the BS from HA as when and where of their choosing! Yup they are with the palis when they are all dying. Kudos for the freaking dead resistance!

    Posted by danny | July 25, 2014, 9:15 pm
  181. Hola Gabe!

    Good job on providing QN with a worthy role model.

    I’m thinking this Gaza op, this time, is a thing apart from earlier exercises. It feels different and an ever more extremist Israeli face is being witnessed by more people than ever before. Twitter is G*D.

    Could the iceman be among us and finally unable to maintain the charade?

    Posted by lally | July 25, 2014, 9:33 pm
  182. Get some ice for your head lollypops. I also heard Jaafari is waiting for the supreme leader’s fatwa to flatten Izrahell in 24 hours. Enjoying the Qalamoun show gojng sideways?

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tmPJb6Mcu6g

    Posted by Mustap | July 25, 2014, 10:40 pm
  183. Danny.

    I am going to be keeping on alert for articles by Israeli and other security types discussing the challenges presented by Hezbollah’s military Just for you. The analysis is largely free of any hot air pronouncements typical of political actors anywhere, anytime.

    “Rallying the troops” is universally understood to be what it is. Everybody does it. I don’t care about it.

    But it was fun to see long faces when His Magnificence used his left arm. There are great hopes for some critical health problems, or so I’ve heard. HA without Nassie (sp?) is hard to imagine; he’s a hard act to follow. But really, I don’t expect that having an exposed flank is anything new to the PoG; comes with the territory.

    I don’t know if that some pragmatists aren’t thinking that it’s convenient to have THE Resistance between them and ISIS….

    Posted by lally | July 25, 2014, 10:55 pm
  184. Brigidaire Genaral Mohammad Ali Jaafari:

    “We are awaiting the fatwa for jihad from the Grand Commander of the armed forces to make Israel flat with earth in 24 hours. Our missiles have been eagerly waiting for years to take off.”

    Posted by Mustap | July 25, 2014, 11:30 pm
  185. “Never, never, never believe any war will be smooth and easy, or that anyone who embarks on the strange voyage can measure the tides and hurricanes he will encounter. The statesman who yields to war fever must realize that once the signal is given, he is no longer the master of policy but the slave of unforeseeable and uncontrollable events. Antiquated War Offices, weak, incompetent, or arrogant Commanders, untrustworthy allies, hostile neutrals, malignant Fortune, ugly surprises, awful miscalculations — all take their seats at the Council Board on the morrow of a declaration of war. Always remember, however sure you are that you could easily win, that there would not be a war if the other man did not think he also had a chance.” — Winston Churchill, My Early Life: A Roving Commission (1930). [IIRC, he was commenting on the Boer War.]

    Posted by samadamsthedog | July 26, 2014, 1:14 am
  186. Danny,

    No cold summers for me. My work put me in India. So I’ve spent the last few months trying to find myself 🙂

    Posted by Gabriel | July 26, 2014, 1:55 am
  187. Egypt now relented, perhaps out of feeling of shame, and says the crossing to Gaza from its side of the border is open.

    So much for AIG’s delusions about so-called alliances of convenience.

    Score 1 for Gaza (and Qatar) 0 for Israel. Half victory to Gaza at half-time.

    Israel now threatens the Qataris will starve to death.
    ….,,

    Posted by Mustap | July 26, 2014, 5:22 am
  188. Lally,

    It’s so kind of you my dear. 😀

    Trust me that it is not business as usual in HA’s case in Lebanon. They might possess 100,000 rockets which most will be useless in Lebanon. We have over 2 million Syrians as well as Lebanese Sunnis chomping at the bit to break HA’s neck. Even if Iran were to order a strike (which would be tantamount to suicide and bankruptcy); HA might not bite as easily. It would be disaster. They will be deader than now. Again; this is 2006 or any other time. HA not only has to think about its own destruction but also its Shiaa constituents would be torn apart and the iceman’s Jihadis will have a party!!

    Posted by danny | July 26, 2014, 8:55 am
  189. There’s nothing funnier than pure Zionist hubris except the Geagean produced Zionist hubris. It’s like stuffing cloth in your underpants to make it look bigger.

    Another free gift for expected true love to bloom. No thank yous are expected.

    Posted by Mustap | July 26, 2014, 11:03 am
  190. I pray for the criminal expedition in Gaza to be crushed by the Palestinian resistance. There is no peace without justice. Zionist terrorists believe they can kill civilians as they are just “snakes”. The US funded and equipped terrorist IDF is a mere reflection of the predominantly racist israeli society.

    Posted by 3issa | July 26, 2014, 3:12 pm
  191. Danny, you will be very welcome indeed.)

    You seem to be more concerned with (eager for?) another civil war; I am speaking of the prospects of a wider regional conflagration. Let’s keep them separate.

    “HA not only has to think about its own destruction but also its Shiaa constituents would be torn apart and the iceman’s Jihadis will have a party!!”

    Iceman’s jihadi party boys do prefer Shiaa but they certainly aren’t going to turn down Jewish or Christian “party favors”.

    Hopefully, the threats posed by ISIS will unite ALL regional actors in confronting it.

    In the meantime, just look at the photos of devastation coming out of Gaza and know that the Israelis plan to deliver the same to Lebanon. I would think that the real enemy is clear, but….

    Posted by lally | July 26, 2014, 3:24 pm
  192. Popping Blood Vessels NewZ

    Palestine is a tiny wart among a totally diseased region called the Middle East. Wipe Israel off the map if you think that will curtail hundreds of thousands of dead arabs and muslims. But it won’t

    Posted by Akbar Palace | July 26, 2014, 4:13 pm

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