Hezbollah, Israel

Fearful Symmetry

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Source: al-Akhbar (english.al-akhbar.com)

Below is a translated excerpt from the most recent speech by Hezbollah Secretary-General Sayyid Hassan Nasrallah. His discussion of the timing and planning of Hezbollah’s retaliation for Israel’s attack in Quneitra a couple weeks ago was absorbed, characteristically, with the question of symbolism. Nasrallah’s postmortem glosses on his party’s operations often assume this pose of the charismatic schoolmaster, drawing the attention of his students to the whorls of significance and shrouded meaning underlying the work they are reading.

The trope of symmetry, in particular, stood out in this speech. Nasrallah has been keen to suggest that this operation was not simply about saving face or warning Israel against further provocations. Rather, the message (directed at enemy and friend alike) was a reminder that the party was still capable of carrying out precision strikes in its old killing fields, and that it had not neglected its southern flank since turning northward to fight in Syria. Any pop-up jihadi group (your AQAPs, your Jabhat al-Nusras) can plant a bomb by the road in the Golan, he seemed to suggest. Only Hezbollah can choose the exact time and place of its confrontations with Israel.

Have a look and listen; the excerpt translated below starts around minute 56:00.

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Nasrallah: “The operation took place under the conditions of maximum Israeli military mobilization and preparedness. This is one of the distinguishing characteristics of the operation, and it has been widely recognized; I’m not saying anything new. They were under the highest level of mobilization, because they knew in advance of Thursday that an operation was being planned.

“From about Sunday, the Israelis saw a number of different steps taken across the country by the Resistance. They spy on us, they listen to us, and at the end of the day, our communication is not all over fiber optic cable. There are also cell phones, and people talk, and many individuals are involved, and there are many steps to take… So, they understood that something was happening.

“Therefore, by Sunday night or Monday, they had set the highest level of mobilization: intelligence, strategy, informants, spies, borders, precautions, front lines, everything. They were practically counting every ant on the border, and had taken every possible location into account.

“Nonetheless, the Resistance launched this special operation in the Shebaa Farms in the light of day, and under these conditions of maximum Israeli mobilization. And here, let me address the enemy and his people, who believe that their army is so powerful. Even under maximum mobilization, and in a territory where they have military positions and drones in the sky and complete domination in terms of intelligence and strategy, the Israeli army was unable to comprehend what was happening from the beginning of the operation until the end of it. Only once our boys had returned from the field did the Israelis finally wake up.

“This is a message to the enemy and to the friend — to our own people, who are constantly treated in ways to shake their confidence in the Resistance. We say: “No, this is your Resistance, whose operations have been described — even by the enemy — as intelligent, skillful, masterful, professional, concealed, and secretive… Yes, this is your Resistance.”

“What was the result of the operation? First of all, they killed us in the light of day, and so we killed them in the light of day. Their operation was at half past eleven, or a quarter to twelve… Our operation was at half past eleven, give or take five minutes. Two cars destroyed in exchange for two cars, and a grain of musk. Casualties in exchange for martyrs; as for the mismatch in numbers, we’ll sort that out in the future. Rockets in exchange for rockets. We didn’t go bury a bomb… No, in the broad light of day, the boys went into the field with rockets on their shoulders, and executed the operation.

“But there are two differences between us and Israel. First of all, because they are cowards and not men, and because “they will not fight against you … except in fortified cities, or from behind walls” (Qur’an 59:14), they stabbed us in the back. Whereas the men of the Resistance, because they are men and are not afraid of death, they came at them from the front, face to face.

“The second difference is that the Israelis did not dare to take responsibility for their dirty deed, while the Resistance took responsibility for its operation immediately after it had taken place.”

[End of excerpt…]

Discussion

265 thoughts on “Fearful Symmetry

  1. Genie Energy, co-owned by Rupert Murdoch, Dick Cheney and Nathaniel Charles Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild:

    http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Hundreds-of-Golan-Heights-residents-protest-exploratory-oil-drilling-391327

    Posted by Ray | February 18, 2015, 8:06 am
  2. Jewish American Mensches trying to make sense of #Israel

    Guess neither Jerry Seinfeld or Larry David would cut it to run #Israel?

    Posted by Ray | February 18, 2015, 11:07 am
  3. Ray,

    Although oil drilling on the Golan is a big concern for Israel haters, I wonder if the Golan wine industry is also of a concern? It’s a $30 million business.

    Maybe Sheldon Adelson should invest in wine instead of oil. Just saying…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_wine

    Posted by Akbar Palace | February 18, 2015, 11:38 am
  4. God and AP,

    Please just stick with your day job.

    Thanks.

    Posted by Ray | February 18, 2015, 11:56 am
  5. I really, really, don’t know why this blog’s owner tolerates you?

    Better Call Saul.

    Posted by Ray | February 18, 2015, 12:11 pm
  6. AP, just come out and admit you’re a card carrying member of the illuminati, do it for Ray’s sake 😀
    Poor Ray, he is obsessed with the Jews and their conspiracies, it’s a malady that strikes 99.5 % of the natives, from AUB grads to the lowest on the socioeconomic ladder, they are all equally afflicted.

    Posted by Vulcan | February 18, 2015, 12:23 pm
  7. Ray, Peter, r2d2 and so on,
    The question should be, how an anti-Semite, racist, misogynist, knuckle dragging bigot like you is tolerated here. You tried changing several names before, but your vile stench always precedes you. I recommend you come to terms with your stupidity and try not to embarrass yourself so much.

    Posted by Vulcan | February 18, 2015, 12:38 pm
  8. Vulcan,

    You really got me “laughing out loud”. I’m glad QN has you around to keep me sane, and hopefully, a few others around here.

    Ray,

    What are you more concerned with:

    a.) Israel and Israel supporters or

    b.) that the list of failed arab states keeps increasing

    drumroll….

    Posted by Akbar Palace | February 18, 2015, 12:50 pm
  9. I’m not sure I follow?

    Whose Philosophy am I supposedly now being labeled to follow?

    Not Lebanon’s, obviously.

    Gross!

    Posted by Ray | February 18, 2015, 1:03 pm
  10. Remember how AIG used to always talk about Israeli desalination but never provide any technical details?

    Well, MIT’s Technology Review magazine just cited Israeli “Megascale Desalination” as one of the “10 Breakthrough Technologies of 2015”:

    http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/534996/megascale-desalination/

    I don’t intend to throw shade here but unfortunately, this article doesn’t impress me at all!

    1) It’s actually a very serious matter to throw around a word like “megascale” when talking about infrastructure. The article does nothing to justify using such an adjective. The closest it gets is to use a surrogate “lowest cost”, which is not the same as “megascale”. I would go as far as to speculate that desalination, like the electric car and like carbon sequestration, will NOT scale and will NOT solve the daunting challenges of a potentially warmed and depleted future!

    2) There are hints of the scalability problems scattered throughout the article. Apparently, Israel will need more than 4 of these facilities to supply just 50% of the water needs of its relatively tiny population of only around 7-8 million people. Even then, it’s hard to tell exactly what water we’re talking about here. The article says “water” but the graphic says “drinking water”, which hints that this desalinated water will not be used for agriculture, for example, which accounts for much more water use than say, drinking and bathing! Israel might be able to get around this by importing its food, which really is just another way of importing water! Now extrapolate this tight water scenario to something like Sao Paolo’s 20 million people or California’s 35 million people, all of whom are facing daunting water challenges, and you’ll start to appreciate how difficult a problem water can be when planet Earth is working against you!

    3) I can go on but I’ll start winding down. I read an article not too long ago about the desalination plant that San Diego is building and in that article, they emphasized automating plant operations as a major cost-reduction initiative. There’s no mention of that here. I can’t imagine that reducing pipe materials, which is what is mentioned here, is a significant driver of either cost savings or scaled-up deployments over a facility’s entire, operational life. The cost issue also begs the question of where the energy for these plants is coming from. Desalination is already quite expensive, so I don’t think they run it off renewables. I bet they’re burning fossil fuels. In Israel’s case it’s probably natural gas coming from their own domestic production. Think about that for a second as an at-scale, water solution for a future where humanity can’t even wean itself off fossil fuels!

    4) The final paragraph teases us with talk of “atom thick membranes”, but this is a sloppy throwaway! I bet this membrane research is not even being done in Israel. It’s probably done at facilities like GE Shanghai, and who knows how far it is from commercialization? Going from the lab to the field is an extraordinarily tough slog, especially for these “atom thick” innovations! But major disclaimer, I know practically nothing about membranes, so I’d better just shut up here! 🙂

    Posted by Samer Nasser | February 18, 2015, 1:42 pm
  11. “….. but this is a sloppy throwaway! I bet this membrane research is not even being done in Israel…..”

    You’re absolutely right on this Samer. THUMBS UP UP UP.

    The Zios are known for their espionage on scientifically advanced states. We all know about the many scandals involving Zio espionage of military secrets in the US.

    As I mentioned in earlier comment, the Zios tend to claim anything they can get a hand on as their own, including falafel, hommus, shawarma etc….

    But, hey how are you going to claim being a true non-crypto nation when you have none of the prerequisites? In the case of the Zios, the modus operandi is simple: steal from others.

    Even kaffiyas and other were known Palestinian handicrafts and works of art were displayed in some exhibitions as so-called Israeli production. And did I not mention not long ago about a so-called Zio tech company claiming all sorts bogus patents about automated driverless car technologies? Well, the Germans had it for few years already on the market not to mention the Swedes and recently the Yankees.

    Overall, we’re dealing with a crypto entity attempting to prove it can be something greater than it really is.

    Usually the Wise Kingdom deals with such bogus claims as NON-events. There is no need to give a topic more importance than it actually deserves. Not to mention that the Wise Kingdom has been the home for the largest and MOST advanced desalination plants in the world for over half a century.

    Posted by Mustap | February 18, 2015, 2:31 pm
  12. On a different note, magic turns against the magician in northern Aleppo.

    After attempting to advance in northern Aleppo, and slaughtering over 20 civilians on the way at the hands of Hezbollah and associates, the tide turns against the attackers. Over 200 of their own mercenaries perish at the hands of Syrian rebel brigades overnight.

    The battlefield is strewn with lifeless corps for miles at a stretch of mostly Lebanese, Afghan, Iranian and regime bandits

    Posted by Mustap | February 18, 2015, 2:37 pm
  13. I don’t intend to throw shade here but unfortunately, this article doesn’t impress me at all!

    Samer,

    Thanks for the article, I had no idea of the project. Hoe did you find out about it? Providing such a large percentage of the population’s water seems like a big deal to me. And for such a low price…

    Plenty of articles. ..

    http://www.haaretz.com/life/nature-environment/1.596270

    Posted by Akbar Palace | February 18, 2015, 3:56 pm
  14. The “knuckle-dragging” continues

    The Zios are known for their espionage on scientifically advanced states.

    Mustache,

    Since you brought it up, Israel surpasses the scientific achievement of all the Arab states combined in terms of scientific articles, patents, and Nobel prizes.

    Maybe the Wise Kingdom could learn a little from a wiser kingdom. For example, what military industries does the wise kingdom have? Israel developed Iron Dome. No other country has it. Are the Saudis just lazy, or is it their education system?

    http://www.israel21c.org/technology/israels-top-45-greatest-inventions-of-all-time-2/

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Israel

    Posted by Akbar Palace | February 18, 2015, 4:47 pm
  15. AP,

    I read a lot, and the older I get, the more it skews to the technological and scientific! Everything else starts to look and feel really boring in comparison! I read MIT’s “Technology Review”, IEEE’s “Spectrum”, “The Scientist” magazine, National Geographic, Bio-IT World, etc.

    This article literally fell into my lap. I didn’t go hunting for it!

    Of course it’s a big deal whenever any amount of sea-water is desalinated. I’m not disputing that. But it’s easy to provide for a “large percentage” of a population when that population is relatively small. “Low price” in this case is also not a very illustrative metric: Was it because of low labor costs, high subsidies, or extraneous factors like being able to leverage domestic fuel supplies?

    But most problematically in this article is the whole claim of going “megascale”. Such an adjective hints not at a linear drop in cost, but an exponential drop that radically alters the landscape and ushers in a radically new era of explosive market growth. “Megascale” is also usually facilitated by some kind of technological breakthrough, not by any financial or accounting wizardry. I struggle to find any tangible evidence of any genuine, technological breakthroughs here!

    P.S.: If you don’t read up on science, you’re missing out on some pretty amazing developments. There’s a guy in Israel, at the Weizmann Institute (if I’m not mistaken), named Jacob Hanna, who is one of the world’s leading stem cell scientists! He’s a REALLY big deal in the field. He’s also an Arab, not a Jew (which of course is a great credit to Israel).

    Posted by Samer Nasser | February 18, 2015, 5:03 pm
  16. Samer,

    I’m proud that so many Israeli arabs are succeeding in israel. As far as the desalination is concerned, I guess the proof of the pudding is if they can export the system.

    Respectfully;)

    AP

    Posted by Akbar Palace | February 18, 2015, 5:23 pm
  17. Akbar Palace,

    cc. QN

    If you don’t ***cking behave yourself and stop using names like idiots then ALL gloves are off

    This is a warning shot.

    Expect the unexpected if you continue with your misbehaviour.

    Smarten up or SHUT the ****** UP.

    Posted by Mustap | February 18, 2015, 5:38 pm
  18. Yell, swear! No one is listening. You are a NON event wiser. 😀

    Posted by danny | February 18, 2015, 7:13 pm
  19. Every claim coming from a Zionist terrorist supporter should be handled with a healthy dose of scepticism, or outright rejected (yes even of they claim that water freezes at 0).

    If you stole you shall steal again and again.

    Posted by 3issa | February 19, 2015, 3:09 am
  20. Oh no, whatch out, Mustard is using caps again 😃

    Posted by Vulcan | February 19, 2015, 4:48 am
  21. Courtesy of the Jewish State in Iraq and the Levant

    Posted by 3issa | February 19, 2015, 6:30 am
  22. Thweesa,

    I’ll axe you the same question I axed Ray yesterday:

    What are you more concerned with:

    a.) Israel and Israel supporters or

    b.) that the list of failed arab states keeps increasing?

    Posted by Akbar Palace | February 19, 2015, 6:50 am
  23. The Times they are a Changin’ NewZ

    Egypt accuses Qatar of “supporting terrorism”

    http://news.yahoo.com/qatar-says-recalls-ambassador-egypt-amid-dispute-over-044714970.html

    Posted by Akbar Palace | February 19, 2015, 6:54 am
  24. I’m sure 3issa is touched by the constant shedding of crocodile tears by a dim-witted AP(E).

    And an ex-SLA vulcanized-sole is back to his regular one-liner gibberish.

    Not to mention the fan of hoodlums from pre-historic mountain caves

    This blog is doomed for sure.

    Posted by Mustap | February 19, 2015, 8:17 am
  25. A video showing the moment when tens of hezbollah and other mercenaries are surrendering somewhere north of Aleppo yesterday,

    http://www.alarabiya.net/ar/arab-and-world/syria/2015/02/19/لحظة-استسلام-عناصر-من-ميليشيات-إيرانية-وحزب-الله.html

    Posted by Mustap | February 19, 2015, 8:39 am
  26. Arabic articles such as the above may help reduce the constant noise generated by resident AP(Es).

    Hope that helps the blog a little bit while QN is busy. And at the same time will keep Google Translate busy.

    Posted by Mustap | February 19, 2015, 8:44 am
  27. OK, guys! I don’t want to flog this desalination horse to death, but I want to tie up some loose ends in the blog posts that I made on the subject yesterday:

    1) I made reference to “GE Shanghai”, and I just want to flesh that out a little. Recently, Ars Technica’s Science Correspondent John Timmer made a trip to GE’s China Technology Center in Shanghai and produced an article series named “Chasing Brilliance”. In that series was an article on, yup you guess it, the manufacture of reverse osmosis membranes:

    http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/01/making-ultra-thin-materials-with-holes-the-size-of-water-molecules/

    2) In the first paragraph, he confirms that desalination is used to produce drinking water. But when I said yesterday that the way around this agriculture-wise is to import food, I was being way too strict! I forgot that treated wastewater (essentially recycled desalinated water that is not brought up to potability standards) can be used for irrigation. So that is the missing link to agriculture! Treated wastewater! But yes, that means the installation of more water facilities!

    3) Obviously these membranes are not “atom-thick sheets of carbon” (as alluded to by the end of yesterday’s Technology Review article) but instead are “micrometer thick sheets of polymers containing 10 nanometer-sized pores”. When I read “atom-thick sheets of carbon” these days, I immediately think “graphene”, and indeed I did read an article recently that graphene can be used for desalination … IN THE LAB! Graphene is way overhyped right now (like nanotechnology in general), and so far nobody has figured out a way to mass-produce it! People also worry a lot about its biocompatibility and environmental safety! What happens when all these nanotubes and buckyballs and graphene sheets start accumulating in lakes, rivers and streams? The Ars Technica article actually makes some reference to this problem. One of the building blocks of the membrane is known to be carcinogenic but becomes harmless after it polymerizes! So yeah, it’s definitely an issue! And finally, when I think of centers of excellence in graphene research, I’m sorry but Israel doesn’t come to mind at all! Maybe I just don’t know what they’re up to, but I doubt it! Israel simply never comes up in the graphene articles!

    Anyway, that’s it for now! Thanks for reading! I’m done! 🙂

    Posted by Samer Nasser | February 19, 2015, 10:13 am
  28. Daesh as you have been a NON event since you changed your moniker from iceman…and since this blog is doomed; do us the favor of getting the hell out of here and clearing the airwaves from your filth.

    Posted by danny | February 19, 2015, 10:38 am
  29. Maybe I just don’t know what they’re up to, but I doubt it! Israel simply never comes up in the graphene articles!

    Samer,

    I just found this article while searching for “israel graphene”. So you’re probably right about “centers of excellence”, however you define that. Anyway, you sort of poo-pooed Israeli reverse-osmosis tehnology, and it seems like this company IDE has been exporting their technology. That suggests they have something, no?.

    IDE Technologies, one of Israel’s most prominent desalination companies, has developed ways to further cut costs by using fewer pumps and energy recovery devices. At Israel’s Ashkelon desalination plant, for instance, IDE spearheaded a method of generating power by using high-pressure brine to help rotate the pump motor. A standard turbine can recover about 80 percent of input energy; this process boosts energy recovery to 96 percent.

    IDE has built three of Israel’s five largest desalination plants, including the Sorek project that meets 20 percent of Israel’s municipal water needs. IDE has also built China’s largest desalination plant and is building the largest desalination plant in the United States: a $1 billion facility in Carlsbad, Calif.

    Other sites showing research in graphene in Israel

    http://www.eenews.net/stories/1059994202

    http://www.energyandcapital.com/articles/graphene-investments/2913

    http://www.italtrade.com/countries/asia/israel/showroom/53196.htm

    http://phys.org/news194418761.html

    Posted by Akbar Palace | February 19, 2015, 10:42 am
  30. AP,

    I’m very busy over here, so unfortunately this reply is going to be really quick. I hope it’ll make sense.

    1) You’re not going to win this argument by executing random Google searches, because you’re not going to be able to distinguish all the junk that you’re going to end up referencing. “Energy and Capital” is an Investment Newsletter, so for this discussion it should be discounted. “Phys.org” is fun, I’ll grant it that, but it’s a sensational science blog that makes a big deal out of every academic paper that ever gets published anywhere. I’m sorry, but this is not exactly diligence on your part!

    2) I’m way too busy right now to try to describe what a graphene “center of excellence” is. You can take that phrase/opinion or leave it! Graphene is not my line of work, so I’m hardly an expert here.

    3) I never poo-pooed Israeli reverse osmosis technology! Mostly because I asserted that Israel doesn’t have any!

    4) You have not understood anything I’ve written on this subject. My main gripe is that Israel has not achieved “megascale” desalination and doesn’t deserve to get listed as a “breakthrough technology for 2015”.

    5) You are proving my point with your quotations! IDE Technologies sounds like it’s an excellent engineering contracting firm that does a great job maximizing the efficiency of its plant assets. This is engineering, not technology! In the same way that there are countless contracting companies in the UAE, for example, but they still needed foreigners to build Burj Khalifa, I can totally appreciate that IDE travels the globe building hyper-efficient desalination plants! Good for them, and I wish them the best! But again, I will assert that this is neither “megascale” nor a “breakthrough technology” nor does it have anything to do with reverse-osmosis, which forms the technological core of desalination in general.

    6) I know about that $1 billion facility in Carlsbad, CA. It’s the San Diego plant I referenced earlier. In that plant, in their quest to drive down cost, they largely automated its functioning! They’ve gotten rid of people as much as they could! Again, this is great engineering, fantastic cost optimization, but it’s not a breakthrough technology, and it doesn’t scale! Because desalination will still be expensive even when desalination plants are fully automated and tweeting snarky comments in their off-time! Part of the problem is that desalination is energy-intensive, and so its cost will always be tied to the cost of energy in general. Energy is hardly a solved problem, and it doesn’t look like it’s going to be solved anytime soon.

    7) Again, the proof is in the pudding, as you like to say! The San Diego plant will come online soon but hardly make a dent in California’s water troubles! California might contract IDE Tech to build a whole slew of these things along the coast, but I doubt it. There are major environmental concerns here (habitats, spawning grounds, brine contamination in shallow waters, etc.), not to mention all the other concerns! So we’ll see what happens in the future!

    8) As for the future, let’s revisit the graphene issue (as it pertains to desalination) in a decade! I bet you that “one-atom thick sheets of carbon” will not play a major role in the reverse osmosis membrane industry then! Nobody, neither the Israelis nor anyone else, will get it to work and prove that it’s robust, durable, cheap and safe!

    Posted by Samer Nasser | February 19, 2015, 12:19 pm
  31. You’re not going to win this argument by executing random Google searches

    Samer,

    I have much respect for you and your writing. You seem very knowledgeable on a number of subjects, and I enjoy reading your posts. You may think your response was “quick”, but your posts always tend to be the longest and most detailed! You are verbose, and that’s a good thing. But if you’re busy, I hope you write/type fast!

    I am picking your brain. You bring up subjects and you make claims, so I do quick Google searches. That’s me. No one is paying for my searches, so I (really) do quick searches and hope that the info is “more or less” accurate. It is all debatable.

    You made a claim:

    I never poo-pooed Israeli reverse osmosis technology! Mostly because I asserted that Israel doesn’t have any!

    That’s a pretty broad statement to make. Do you really know enough about Israeli desalination companies to make that claim? If you are really that busy, I wonder how you know so much about Israeli RO technology?

    I guess one of us is right, and perhaps we are both guessing or hypothesizing at this point.

    Here’s what I found at IDE’s website: http://www.ide-tech.com/company-profile/works/technological-breakthroughs/

    Anyway, thanks for the response.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | February 19, 2015, 12:47 pm
  32. This blog has gone absolutely, totally, mental ! (Insert Ricky Gervais laugh, here.)

    Posted by Ray | February 19, 2015, 12:48 pm
  33. What’s next? Sharing Mom’s secret Falafel recipes?

    Posted by Ray | February 19, 2015, 1:07 pm
  34. Samer, brother, 8 paragraphs for a terrorist? Really ?

    Posted by 3issa | February 19, 2015, 1:27 pm
  35. Samer,

    You should know, as I’m sure, by now the hollow nature of the intellectual content of noise presented by the APE.

    To be honest, I see no argument from your side in the way you presented the information, It was excellent presentation. You’re right on the mark regarding Israeli claims, that are nothing but bogus and hollow when it comes to technological innovations.

    As you are very aware, I have the skill to summarize the argument in order to make it comprehensible to the non-initiated (the novices and what have you). So here’s my summary of the issues at play. There are two issues to consider:

    1) Osmosis technology (in other words the true innovation) is known to have been in existence since the early 1940s. It was developed and demonstrated in the US since that early date. So on this bullet point there is NO Israeli input to this innovation WHATSOVER. As it is well known, In 1940s the ZIOS were busy stealing land from the Palestinians. They were not yet engaged in the business of plagiarizing other peoples’ scientific breakthroughs.

    2) The Graphene technology (in other words the advance in innovation) was beginning to be developed in the early 1970s – also in the US. First patents for so-called ‘atomic scale’ graphene membranes were awarded to US entrepreneurs in the early and later part of the 2000 to 2010 decade. So here again, there is NO INPUT WHASOVER from well known Israel plagiarizers.

    So what are people of the planet of the APEs trying to prove?

    Why do we need to listen to nonsense from resident APE(s) trying to prove that the sun can only shine from the backdoor of Zio plagiarizers?

    This is a QN problem. QN needs to make sure that the intellectual content of what is presented on his blog is of a certain level and should not allow it to descend to the level of the planet of the APES.

    I must repeat after QN ZHEIT MIN RAB el-APEs.

    On the other hand, I must say these are all NON-events, as we all know the Wise Kingdom has always been at the forefront of producing desalinated water for its population using the most advanced technologies.

    Posted by Mustap | February 19, 2015, 1:35 pm
  36. AP,

    You should be reasonably sure by now that I am not in the water industry, so it goes without saying that I am speculating to a certain extent. But you are not doing a good job of taking up the opposing argument. You are too emotionally invested in Israel and it interferes with your objectivity, you only do your diligence in reaction to what other people say and even then very sparingly, and your debating strategy seems to be to throw the proverbial mess of spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks!

    1) Thanks for that link! I’ll admit that impressive, specialist engineering skills seem to be at the root of IDE Tech’s core competency. I never doubted this.

    2) But what does this have to do with Reverse Osmosis membrane technology? These are plant innovations! Of course someone has to do the contracting, and IDE Tech seems to do it quite well. It’s like when LEED contractors design efficient buildings. Sure, they do great work! But if someone claims to have discovered a more efficient window or insulation material, you have to bypass the contractor and go straight to the manufacturer himself and see the product for yourself.

    3) So yeah, if you can, share a link to an Israeli manufacturer of reverse osmosis membranes. Tell us how these membranes are so much better than those of other manufacturers. These technologies mature after a while. Everything stabilizes, gets commoditized, and the rate of progress starts to slow!

    4) Also tell us how this whole thing is poised to go “megascale”! It all seems mighty bulky and very expensive, and we’re not going do much scaling up if IDE Tech is the only entity in the world that knows how to do these things!

    5) Anyway, this debate is dragging, so let’s call a timeout and bury it for now! I personally enjoyed this discussion and learned a lot, but I don’t want others to feel we are two amateur, bumbling hacks who’ve hijacked the blog! I guess this will be my last comment for now! Too many people make too many demands on me to know everything about everything, and it’s simply not humanly possible, so I’ll concede and defer on this one! 🙂

    Posted by Samer Nasser | February 19, 2015, 1:45 pm
  37. Mustap, I think we agree on many things (regarding hizb iran, the SLA nostalgics, the Assad soul less followers and hopefully the perceived sense of Phoenician Light)… So why is it that you support any monarchy ?

    Posted by 3issa | February 19, 2015, 1:55 pm
  38. 3issa,

    If I were Moroccan, I will not hesitate to pledge allegiance to His Royal Wise Majesty Mohammed the sixth. He’s such a remarkable Royal who has done a lot of good things to Morocco and the Ummah in general not to mention his exalted lineage going back all the way to our Holy Prophet. What’s this lame democracy excuse promoted by the planet of the APEs that they keep throwing at you? Just close the door on them once and for all, because It’s nonsense when you have such a remarkable figure like His Wise Majesty Amir Al-Mominine, may Allah guide him and protect him for the good of the Ummah.

    On the other hand, if I were to look for an engineering contractor of very high calibre, expertise and proven track record, I would look for none other than the Wise Kingdom based ACWA Power,

    http://www.thenational.ae/business/energy/acwa-wins-17bn-moroccan-solar-power-deals

    Furthermore, if I’m looking for innovations in desalination technology, I would look first and foremost on what they’re doing where this technology has been extensively applied for over half a century, and will make sure to gain access to all the research taking place as KAUST,

    http://cleantechnica.com/2015/01/22/worlds-largest-solar-powered-desalination-plant-under-way/

    Note that the crystalline solar arrays are engineered at the very advanced research facilities of KAUST.

    Who needs IDE and ZIO plagiarizers? OK, I may buy a falafel sandwich from a Zio plagiarizer. Or may be not. Why not go for the original?

    Posted by Mustap | February 19, 2015, 2:36 pm
  39. Here are the pictures of the surrendering mercenaries mentioned earlier,

    http://www.alarabiya.net/ar/arab-and-world/syria/2015/02/19/استمرار-المعارك-في-حلب-بين-المعارضة-وميليشيات-النظام-.html

    More Arabic for filtering APE noise.

    Posted by Mustap | February 19, 2015, 2:49 pm
  40. Anyway, this debate is dragging, so let’s call a timeout and bury it for now! I personally enjoyed this discussion and learned a lot, but I don’t want others to feel we are two amateur, bumbling hacks who’ve hijacked the blog!

    Samer,

    Likewise. As far as hijacking the blog, we should do it more often!

    Posted by Akbar Palace | February 19, 2015, 3:14 pm
  41. Get a room, you two. Please!

    I’m gagging and puking here.

    Posted by Ray | February 19, 2015, 3:57 pm
  42. Ray,

    Sorry we’re making you sick. In an effort to cheer you up, let’s chat about Zio Crimes, the biggest threat to ME peace. Where would you like to start? I think the Zios should give those gold coins back to the original owners. What do you think?

    Posted by Akbar Palace | February 19, 2015, 4:10 pm
  43. I think someone should pay for you to go live in Israel for a while and then get you to comment on this blog, Bitch!

    Posted by Ray | February 19, 2015, 4:55 pm
  44. Please, somebody give some Gold coins to AP so that he can finally shut up.

    Thank you.

    Jesus! The Jews!

    Posted by Ray | February 19, 2015, 5:08 pm
  45. I wouldn’t give gold. Not even silver.

    The best offer I make is tin.

    Besides, I am not someone who can be easily blackmailed by sheer noise.

    I can easily deal with planet APE noise.

    After second thoughts tin is even too much.

    No blackmail or negotiations with terrorists period.

    Posted by Mustap | February 19, 2015, 5:19 pm
  46. APE indeed sounds proper.

    Quick question : looks like many Israeli terrorism supporter somehow believe that there is debate a la 50-50 amongst Arabs regarding the cancerous nature of the Zionist project. At least in the US / Canada it seems like they believe a good portion of Arabs are somehow ok with Israel. How comes? Is it due to the apologetics token araps appearing on TV or maybe the SLA refugees spreading the light ? Other factors ?

    I’m asking because I feel that in Europe, Israeli terror supporters have no illusion at all wether their Arab and Muslim compatriots hate Israel. It’s a given. You’ll just never see a Zionist asking a Muslim : don’t you think it’s a good thing for he region ? lol

    Mustapha, will hopefully reply today to your Royalist stuff.

    Wa Salam.

    Posted by 3issa | February 20, 2015, 3:21 am
  47. You can bark all you want, Israel is here to stay, in spite of you and your Umah of degenerates.
    It’s Allah’s wish, after all, nothing happens without her will and permission.

    Wa Salam

    Posted by Vulcan | February 20, 2015, 5:36 am
  48. Salam habib albi

    Posted by 3issa | February 20, 2015, 6:46 am
  49. Israel is here to stay

    Vulcan,

    At least that’s what Israeli arabs are hoping. Do you think they’d rather live Assad, Saddam, Muammar, of some jihadi rag-amuffin? Hell no!

    Anyway, thanks.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | February 20, 2015, 8:10 am
  50. 3issa,

    You must be aware that a vulcanized sole ex-SLA by no means represents ayraps in the US.

    After all, there was a reason that such vulcanic ash was ejected from the south in the first place.

    Some of the ash which ended up on the american shores behave as you see over here. But the fact remains they’re a tiny group of crypto non-entities who belong neither to the ayraps nor to the yankee folds.

    Every culture has some rejects. And the ayrap culture is no different.

    Arabs here in general do not think of Zios as OK just like in Europe.

    Posted by Mustap | February 20, 2015, 8:29 am
  51. Mustard, the only rejects are you and your Sahaba in the Islamic State and the kingdom of inbred dirty little cousins of yours . Did you get your green card yet scumbag? In America we still allow scumbags like you in, so go on retard, go ahead and apply.

    Posted by Vulcan | February 20, 2015, 9:29 am
  52. Si senorita. I’ll contact the nearest naturalization office immediately.

    Posted by Mustap | February 20, 2015, 10:06 am
  53. V, this last comment of yours is not really wrapped by Light. Just sayin’

    Posted by 3issa | February 20, 2015, 11:43 am
  54. “Every culture has some rejects. And the ayrap culture is no different.”

    It seems the most defective reject is the troll Daesh here. “Ayrab” culture must have a 95% reject rate in the wise kingdom!

    Posted by danny | February 20, 2015, 2:19 pm
  55. Comment removed by moderation

    Posted by Mustap | February 20, 2015, 6:57 pm
  56. Comment removed by moderation

    Posted by danny | February 21, 2015, 7:11 am
  57. Comment removed by moderation

    Posted by Mustap | February 21, 2015, 9:24 am
  58. Comment removed by moderation

    Posted by danny | February 21, 2015, 9:42 am
  59. Look everyone, I’m getting tired of having to police this comment section. I don’t have the time or inclination. The point of having a comment section is for people to engage in substantive debate and discussion. That used to be the case when I was in graduate school, because I could keep a closer eye on things. These days, I don’t have as much time to read every comment, and the results speak for themselves.

    So I’m going to make this simple. If a comment contains any kind of ad hominem attack or gratuitously aggressive language, I’m just going to zap it and suspend the commenter for a week. I’d rather have no discussion at all on this blog than pointless flaming.

    There’s a new sheriff in town. Cross him at your peril…

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | February 21, 2015, 10:22 am
  60. Sorry, QN.

    My last comment now lost relevance with the ones preceding gone

    Anyway, it was posted before realizing there’s a new sherrif.

    Take it from me as a solemn oath

    I WILL NEVER INITIATE AD HOMINEM as I’ve always done.

    I will however respond in kind once initiated with the sincere hope it’l never have to come to that.

    Posted by Mustap | February 21, 2015, 10:36 am
  61. “I will however respond in kind once initiated…”

    If you respond in kind, you’ll be suspended as well.

    The new sheriff makes no distinctions. He’s an illiterate, trigger-happy cowboy who’s itching to ban people…

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | February 21, 2015, 10:42 am
  62. He’s an illiterate, trigger-happy cowboy who’s itching to ban people…

    QN, I didn’t know you were friends with GWB. Welcome to the club!

    Anyway, searching the recent articles about the stolen gold coins found in Israel, I noticed they were determined to be from the “Fatimid” period. So naturally, I searched Fatimid period only to find that about 1000 years ago, this Shia movement/caliphate controlled all of north africa, Egypt, the Levant and even Sicily! Pretty amazing.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatimid_Caliphate

    Anyway, no one has claimed the gold coin find, so I guess the IAA gets it, and the divers get a plaque with a picture of BB on it.

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/02/150219-gold-hoard-coins-dinars-israel-fatimid-caesarea-archaeology/

    Posted by Akbar Palace | February 21, 2015, 11:41 am

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