Hezbollah, Israel, Lebanon, Syria

Pathos and Promises: Nasrallah on the Dahiyah Blast

nasrallah-dahiyaHizbullah Secretary-General Sayyid Hasan Nasrallah addressed a large crowd of supporters in Aita al-Shaab this evening via videolink from Beirut. The topic was yesterday night’s car bomb in al-Dahiyah, which killed two dozen people, wounded hundreds, displaced hundreds more, and caused enormous damage to a residential neighborhood.

Nasrallah called on the Lebanese to work together to uncover the networks of terrorists plotting more attacks in the country because, as he said: “These groups have killed even more Sunnis than Shi`a, even more Muslims than Christians. They send bombs into mosques just as they send them into churches… So anyone who thinks that they will only target the Shi`a is deluded.”

He described the takfiri groups fighting in Syria as murderous barbarians and indiscriminate killers motivated only by sectarian rage, unlike Hizbullah’s men who fight “according to values and principles,” never targeting civilians or killing prisoners of war. Addressing his opponents in the pathos-filled finale, he promised to double the number of Hizbullah fighters in Syria should Lebanon be attacked again:

If we currently have 100 fighters in Syria, they’ll become 200. And if we have 1000 fighters in Syria, they’ll become 2,000. And if we have 5,000 fighters in Syria, they’ll become 10,000.

I can appreciate the importance of keeping a stiff upper lip in the face of increasingly brazen attacks, but one wonders whether Nasrallah’s double-down strategy is only going to end up costing more lives. Who is his threat meant to frighten and deter? Surely it will only embolden these groups to launch more cowardly attacks against civilians so as to lure Hizbullah’s fighters into Syria, where they can be fought on the lawless steppe.

Hizbullah’s fighting machine was developed over the past three decades with the single goal of facing Israel’s army and intelligence services. It overcame Israel’s qualitative military edge by waging effective asymmetric and psychological warfare, and preying on the fears of the Israeli public. Today it faces a foe that is adopting the same strategies, and yet Hizbullah appears poised to make the same mistakes that Israel once did, underestimating its enemy and trying to cow them with hubristic threats and military surges.

As Nasrallah correctly affirmed: we, the Lebanese, are all in this together. If Lebanon is sucked into the Syrian maelstrom, it will be our civil peace that is shattered, our tenuous balance that is disrupted. And yet the ironic truth is that the most eloquent prophet of the impending sectarian apocalypse is, simultaneously, inviting its horsemen in with promises of fresh fodder and ample bedding.

Discussion

94 thoughts on “Pathos and Promises: Nasrallah on the Dahiyah Blast

  1. Bad, too bad for Lebanon. Does Nasrallah believe that with all the enemies he has managed to create against him and his party, that there would be mo backlash?? Qui seme le vent, recolte la tempete.

    Posted by imbsp | August 16, 2013, 4:12 pm
  2. He has to choose between two unfavorable options … just like the Americans have to choose between two unfavorable options … just like the regime …

    The only happy party enjoying a win/win process is Israel.

    Posted by Camille Alexandre Otrakji | August 16, 2013, 4:16 pm
  3. Why should you ALWAYS involve Israel? If Israel didn t exist, do you really believe that PEACE and FRATERNITY and DEMOCRACY will reign allover the Middle East? Israel is the excuse for all the regimes in the area to do whatever they want against their people. Si Israel n existait pas, il aurait fallut l inventer….

    Posted by imbsp | August 16, 2013, 4:28 pm
  4. 1) The amount of hypocrisy in that speech is simply astounding.

    2) Gotta love the bit about “All of Lebanon is in this together”. As QN pointed out, it is very true. Sadly though, the decision of involving all of Lebanon into this was not made by all of the Lebanese, or by the legitimate Lebanese state, but rather, it was a decision made for us, by a Supreme Leader in Tehran and his crony Nassrallah. So yeah, we’re all in this together, but it would’ve been nice for you to consult with the rest of us first, Hassan, before making that commitment for all of us.

    Posted by Bad Vilbel | August 16, 2013, 4:43 pm
  5. Dear IMBSP, I would invoke Israel simply because all these enemies that you claim Nasralla “has managed to create against him and his party” – which are enemies indeed but not created by him at all, they have always hated him simply because he is allied with Syria and Iran and not with Saudi Arabia and Israel – these enemies today are allies of Saudi Arabia and have no doubt, of Israel too.

    Posted by roger | August 16, 2013, 4:48 pm
  6. Bad Vilbel,
    Could you just point out the post where you disparage Hariri and co. for supplying “milk and blankets” to the Syrian rebels without consulting the Lebanese state way before Hizballah got involved? I may have missed it.

    Posted by mo | August 16, 2013, 5:44 pm
  7. Listening to Sayyed Nassrallah’s speech today is an intense moment for the spirit, the mind and the heart. He is in my opinion, the only great orator in the arab world.

    Posted by MickeyRat | August 16, 2013, 5:57 pm
  8. as a christian Lebanese, i believe this Man is protecting all the Lebanese from the takfiri parties, he’s our hope to stay in our land..no one will understand this except us

    Posted by sally | August 16, 2013, 6:22 pm
  9. يعني شو عم بخربص هدا ابو نص لسان؟ قال شو؟ قال هو بدو يروح يقاتل بنفسو بسوريا. ايه مين كامشاك؟ روح الساحة مفتوحة. ما تكون نسيت؟ من شي جمعة مرجعلينك اكتر من اربعين قتيل من هودي اللي بتسميهون حماة زينب. ايه ما زينب عضاما صارت مكاحل. عمين عم تفنص يا مسيلمة الكزاب؟ بعدين شو ما في بسوريا الا زينب؟ يللا بركي بترجع مكفن احسنلك من عيشة هالمجارير ومن كل هالبوزات اللي بتعملا من ورا البلازما. وبعدين انتا مو احسن من اللي عم يرجعوا لتدفنن بليلي ما فيا ضو قمر. ايه روح تعلم تلفظ حرف الراء ابو صواويخ مصدية قبل ما تهد وتؤد وتعمل مراجل حكي ببلاش. طلعت طلوع وللا نزلت نزول بشارك رح يروح وانتا والمؤاوامي تبعك رايحين معو من دون رجعة.

    Posted by Passerby | August 16, 2013, 6:27 pm
  10. ideology mideology, just like hizballah is the biggest employer in the south amongst the shi3a, the so called qaida is the biggest employer in the moslem world for the sunnis. Syria is filled with foreign unemployed moslims from as far away as daghestan, morocco, nigeria…..It’s really sad and reflective of our current world that in order to make a living, you have to kill. Nobody is stupid enough anymore to believe that religion is driving all this crazinesss. The Syrian people who risked all to seek freedom are seeing their cause being fought by outsourced cheap labor!

    Posted by rpver | August 16, 2013, 6:36 pm
  11. Hizbullah remains focussed on Israel. Israel remains its number one priority. It will send/has sent enough fighters into syria to do what it has to do to safeguard the assad regime, in coordination with tehran and damascus, without weakening its front against israel. Nasrallah’s comments today were rhetoric to shore up the shia support base in lebanon post the rweiss bombing, not a literal strategy for current or increased future involvement in syria.

    Posted by Abu jnoub | August 16, 2013, 6:37 pm
  12. Mo,

    Gladly, go look back through my posts around the time QN posted that ridiculous Oqab Sakr press conference and phone call leak affair…

    When will you people get it in your thick heads that:
    1) Two wrongs do not make a right. Just because Hariri does it, doesn’t mean it’s ok for Nassrallah to do it. And vice versa.
    2) Not everyone who posts a comment attacking HA is pro Hariri. And I would imagine, not everyone posting a comment attacking Hariri is necessarily pro-HA.

    Some of us have brains and do not feel the need to blindly side with one of these 2 idiotic “sides” on the Lebanese scene.

    Lastly, my knock on HA/Nassrallah’s comments about making decisions for all Lebanese far predates the Syrian civil war and/or any involvement Hariri or any other clowns may have had in it. HA has been making unilateral decisions of war and peace for Lebanon since 2005-2006. So please, give us all a break. I am quite accurate when I state that HA has been dragging the rest of us Lebanese into this or that situation without consulting us. So for him to trumpet that “We are all in this together” is extremely annoying to hear for me, personally. That is my personal opinion and feelings on the subject, and I stand by it, and it has nothing to do with how idiotic Hariri is (and lord knows that man’s been a complete disaster in a whole other way).

    Posted by Bad Vilbel | August 16, 2013, 6:58 pm
  13. And I might add, before 2005-06, it was Syria directly who made decisions for the Lebanese people. So this phenomenon is not new. That does not make it any less objectionable.
    There is a reason I left Lebanon and have no intention of returning. And Nassrallah is absolutely right in his assessment: We are all in this together.
    It is precisely because I have ZERO desire to be dragged into “this” together with him or any of these other bozos that I left. I had no input in the decisions he (and others before him: Arafat, Gemayel, Geagea, Berri, Jumblatt, Aoun) made for the rest of us, so I do not appreciate being dragged into his “we’re all in this together” crap.
    No thanks, Mr. Nassrallah, you can go be “all in this” all by yourself. Leave the rest of us who want to live a peaceful, productive and joyful life, out of it.

    Posted by Bad Vilbel | August 16, 2013, 7:02 pm
  14. Does he not sound strikingly similar to George W. Bush or Tony Blair ten years ago? Condemning attacks on civilians while saying we make our utmost to protect them, reminding everyone that jihadism is first and foremost a threat to other Muslims, saying we will stand firm and not let the terrorists win, we must fight them there so they don’t come here, bla bla. And, of course – using the attack as an excuse to send fighters to another Middle Eastern country.

    Before we know it, they’ll be serving freedom fries in Dahiye restaurants.

    Posted by aron | August 16, 2013, 7:24 pm
  15. Bad Vibel, the point of my post was that HA didnt not decide to involve Lebanon in the Syrian war. If you really think these tafkiris were going to simply stop at the border once they were finished with Assad you need to be more worried about measuring the relative thickness of your own skull before disparaging others. Lebanon was going to be involved one way or another with or without the participation of either Hariri or Nasrallah. And in that situation, your only advantage is deciding where and when that involvement happens to limit the damage to your people.

    Now Im sure you are of the select beings of this earth who is far more intelligent than the rest of us, but guess what, just because I dont agree with you doesnt make you smarter or make me a blind follower who isnt able to process information and rationalise the data the way you can.

    And thirdly, where exactly did you leave to that gave you a chance to have an input into whether your country goes to war? Sounds idyllic.

    Posted by mo | August 16, 2013, 7:54 pm
  16. QN,

    Many years ago you wrote that you believed that one day Hezbollah would put their arms aside and become only a political movement. It is time to put those fantasies aside and admit that Hezbollah is part and parcel of the Iranian regime. Asking Hezbollah not to act in Syria is like asking the Iranians not to do their utmost to make sure Assad survives. Asking or berating Hezbollah for not acting in Lebanon’s interest in my opinion is naive or just wishful thinking. Hezbollah murdered Hariri and countless other Lebanese politicians. Do you really think that Lebanese stability is a priority for them? Just like Assad will burn Syria before accepting any other form of government there, Hezbollah would rather burn Lebanon than accept a situation that is against Iranian interests. They of course do not want a civil war in Lebanon, but avoiding one is not their primary interest. If for example a government that acts to neutralize their arms emerges, they would not shy away from using force wherever that may lead to. And their actions have proven that.

    Now, if you have any evidence that Hezbollah’s actions have lessened the support for them in the Shia community that would perhaps warrant you saying that the Lebanese all share the same fate. I don’t see this. Let’s fact it, talking about Lebanese interests just does not make sense. The Lebanese Shia led by Hezbollah have very different interests than the rest of the Lebanese.

    Posted by AIG | August 16, 2013, 8:41 pm
  17. Why should you ALWAYS involve Israel? If Israel didn t exist, do you really believe that PEACE and FRATERNITY and DEMOCRACY will reign allover the Middle East?

    IMBSP,

    Assad had two choices. Bring freedom and basic rights to Syria before the revolution. And step down after the revolution began. He decided to ruin the country.

    His buddies, had a similar decision, let Assad handle it himself because he was a despot and murderer, or ignore the deaths and the despot thing and support him.

    These decisions exposed the mythology the Zionists knew for 40 years: Israel and the occubation was the excuse for not providing freedom and human rights. Because when you give rights in arabdom, you lose power.

    Thank you IMBSP for looking into the ME microscope and admitting that you see no Zionist Joo on the slide.

    It will be exciting seeing the bad guys lose again. Saddam and Qadaffy were fun, and we still have a handful left to pull out of a sewer.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 16, 2013, 8:43 pm
  18. Passerby
    لو سمحت تركلي المسبات والشتائم الدينية والطائفية عا جنب. خلي الحديث على الصعيد السياسي

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | August 16, 2013, 11:40 pm
  19. The certainties expressed in some (not all) of the above comments seem to blind their purveyors to some very simple — even obvious — explanations based upon much simpler grounds than ideology. Israel and the Saudis? Politics makes strange bedfellows, but rarely marriages of any kind. Israel and Assad? It is obvious (yes, obvious) that Israel had everything to gain by the perpetuation of a Syrian regime which had enforced a totally quiet border with them since 1973. Hizbullah and Syria? Yes, there is an ideological connection, but more importantly, a geographic connection — the land route for weapons transit between Iran and Lebanon. Assad? Jumblatt on a larger stage: switching sides when convenient, managing to give each side a vain and naive hope that he would some day ally with them more permanently. But, like Jumblatt, Assad could never afford to make lasting alliances with local rivals, lest the other local rivals combine against him. Victories by Israel or Hizbullah? Read the Wikipedia article on Regression Toward the Mean. Bashar compared his old man? I’m sorry, but despite QN’s friend Abbas to the contrary, Bashar is better at what he does, and he will survive. Arab Spring? Study the revolutions of 1848.

    Posted by samadamsthedog | August 16, 2013, 11:41 pm
  20. يللي بدك الناس توقف وتبكي
    تبقى
    ساللي حسن ابو نص ليرة انو يوقف مسباتو او ما تحطو بالموضوع الرئيسي لانك عم تبهدل الموقع قبل ما حدا يبهدلو بمجرد ما تحط الموضوع اللي هو مبهدل اساسا. هو اكتر واحد بسب. شو بدو ياكول راسنا؟ بعدين انتا عم تسميلي اللي بيحكي فيه هادا سياسة؟ لا خيي لا كل حكيو مسبات وشتايم قال هو عم بحارب متشددين ومتطرفين بسوريا ويحمي زينب. ما هو اكبر مجرم واكبر متطرف واكبر كزاب وزينب بريئة منو ولا بدا يا ولا بدا تشوف خلقتو وخلقة المجرمين اللي ماشيين ورا. نحنا ما منعرف الكزب ولا منتحمللو حبيبي. الكزاب منئولو كزاب بعينو. بعدين خيي نحنا مو كل هالئد قاتلين حالنا على منائشة بيزنطيي عقيمي. يكون بعلمك
    قال سياسي قال
    يا سلام

    Posted by Passerby | August 17, 2013, 12:31 am
  21. ما منعتك من استخدام كلمة “كذاب” ولا صفاح ولا مجرم و و و و… طلبت منك تجنب ها المصطلحات البشعة (مسيلمة الى اخ) اللي ما الها طعمة

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | August 17, 2013, 1:08 am
  22. طيب ما اسم مسيلمة متداول بكثرة بين العرب وما حدا بيشمئزمنو لما بتوصف الي بيستحق الوصف. ما عم بفهم اللي انتا معترض عليه. بعدين ازا مفكر انو انا الوحيد اللي بيوصف حسن بمسيلمة فانتا غلطان. وصف حسن ابو نص لسان بهالوصف شائع اكتر ما انت متصور. اسم مسيلمة مش مرتبط بشي اسمو طائفية على فكرة. الاسم مرتبط بالكزب. فازا انتا مو معترض على وصف حسن بالكزاب فشو هو الشي اللي انتا معترض عليه.؟
    بتمنى توضح اكتر اعتراضك لحد ما نقدر نستجيب قدر المستطاع للوقوف ثم البكاء.

    Posted by Passerby | August 17, 2013, 1:36 am
  23. passerby, I really enjoy reading you but I don’t understand the mention of Zainab. I know that she was the first child of the prophet but I don’t know the significance of her in the reglion. I also don’t understand the word “بمسيلمة “. I am trying to read it, bimassailameh? Can you please tell me what that word means?

    Posted by rpver | August 17, 2013, 2:04 am
  24. يا اخي حاج تتفلسف علينا وتقوم بهل حجج المضجكة. انا معي خبر انو المتطرفين والمعقدين (اسلام ومسيحية) بيشتموا بكل نوع ولون وشكل من المسبات البلا طعمة اللي عندها طابع ديني او مذهبي او اعتقادي. مرة ثانية خلينا نترك العبارات والشخصيات التاريخية للعلماء والمدارس الدينية ونوصف الامور بالمصطلحات اللي بتناسبها. منيح؟
    شكرا حبيبنا

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | August 17, 2013, 2:08 am
  25. I just read the story of Zainab, she was torn between her father’s new religon and her husband’s traditional beliefs. She eventually chose her father who annulled her marriage. Then the husband eventually broke from his own family and traditions and joined the religion of her father and their marriage resumed. It’s amazing how much trouble religion has caused, to even break a marriage over a personal spiritual belief. It’s like when Saddam Hussein killed his sons-in-laws, the fathers of his grandchildren and turned his young daughters into widows. In that case it was about punishing betrayal. Again I say, ideology mideology….

    Posted by rpver | August 17, 2013, 2:24 am
  26. Wow QN, exhibiting some serious linguistic skills in that last paragraph!

    Posted by mas | August 17, 2013, 2:32 am
  27. Bravo ya Eztez Bravo…..

    I do sincerely believe that if Freud were still alive and was watching the events of the ME unfold, he would be so inclined as to declare to the world “I told you so”. All this repression is expressing itself in the worst scenarios. viva la sexual revolution I say old chap!

    Posted by Maverick | August 17, 2013, 3:23 am
  28. There’s nothing new in the bearded wonder’s rupture. It seems he has gotten his knickers in a messy twist. I guess when all those assassinations that were being perpetrated by his party and Syrian regime were of no issue. They were not construed as attacks on Lebanon! He is going all in? I am certain certain “takfiris” are so delighted in sucking his mighty force into the quick sand of someone else’s war. I say good for you nassy; take all your merry men of terrorist militia into Syria and let us sort our matters ourselves!

    Lebanese should work together eh? I guess what he means doing what his supreme dodo khameini says from his comfy quarters in Qum.

    I feel so sorry on whoever had no opportunity or the wisdom to leave that wasteland long ago!

    Posted by danny | August 17, 2013, 8:38 am
  29. لا حبيبي مو منيح ومعلوماتك غلط وانتا مش انا اللي عم يتفلسف علينا. انا سالتك بكل صدر رحب انك توضح اعتراضك لانك متناقض بالشي اللي ادعيت انك معترض عليه. اجابتك غير سليمي وبتدل على ضيق صدر. روح راجع معلوماتك وبعدين عمللي حالك امير شعر اخر زمن. ما في شي باسم مسيلمة بثير الاشمئزاز الا عند شي واحد معقد وحابب يتفلسف. وبدك اني اكتب عزوقك بالناقص ومو قاتل حالي انو نكتب

    بعدين انتا شو قصدك نترك الامور لشي اسمو عولماء وما بعرف شو حكي بلا طعمي. فعلا هيدي اكبر عبارة جاهلة بتعملا. شو مفكر انو لاني عم بكتب بلغة عامية مكسرة ما عندي علوم عالية؟ عيني هادا اسلوب مقصود لانو الموضوع اللي انتا طارحو اساسا بيستاهل هادا الاسلوب لا اكتر ولا اقل..

    الى RPVER,

    مسيلمة بن حبيب هو رجل عاش في زمن الرسول وادعى النبوة. ينظر اليه بين المسلمين كافة بغض النظر عن طوائفهم انه رمز للكذب. غالبا يستعمل الاسم للدلالة على اي شخص معروف بالكذب.

    Posted by Passerby | August 17, 2013, 9:28 am
  30. طيب يا قلبي. نحنا تلاميذك. “مسيلمة” هي عبارة عادية بعيدة عن موضوع الدين. مثل ما بدك

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | August 17, 2013, 12:03 pm
  31. QN,

    do you honestly believe that if HA did not fight in syria they would have left them alone?
    from day one the rebels were talking about safawia, majous, shia….
    Besides at least a part of the current uprising is related to regional politics and reducing Iran’s
    influence so once the regime falls it was inevitable they would come after HA.

    Posted by erraticmind | August 17, 2013, 12:12 pm
  32. Erratic Mind,

    It’s a valid point. My suspicion is that the intervention in Syria gave the more radical rebels an excuse to strike at Hizbullah. There have always been groups that used the Safawia and Majus language, but this is the first time we’ve seen a major escalation against Hizbullah by these jihadi groups.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | August 17, 2013, 12:31 pm
  33. QM
    You are right this is a major escalation. Hypothetically, the rebels won (assad regime fell) and HA did not intervene, how likely were the rebels to go after HA ?

    Posted by erraticmind | August 17, 2013, 12:43 pm
  34. QN,

    “Excuse”? Before the Syrian revolution, Nasrallah was KING and hero in Lebanon.

    Sure, after Israel left, Nasrallah’s “fame” was sliding because he had no reason d’etre.

    Again, he refused to disarm with the Lebanese army, because he and Iran can’t lose power to act alone.

    And now, the curtain has been pulled open, he’s a lone wolf acting solely for his interests and Iran’s.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 17, 2013, 12:45 pm
  35. Thank you passerby for answering my question regarding Mussailimah bin Habib.

    Posted by rpver | August 17, 2013, 1:28 pm
  36. طيب الظاهر انو لازم الواحد يتعلم يئرا الكلام الممحي معك. يعني انتا بيظهر انك معترض على منائشة موضوع الدين او الاديان بشكل عام. بس مستحي تئول هيك بصراحة. يمكن كون عم بئراك غلط وانا بكون اول من يعترف انكان هالشي صحيح. بس حبيبي ما الدين شي واقع بمجتمعنا والو تاثير كبير. فازا كان هادا قصدك يعني بتكون عم تدعو انو ندفن راسنا بالرمل متل النعامي.

    على فكرا ازا انتا ضد موضوع منائشة الدين او انك بتحب تكون حيادي بالموضوع وتحاول ما تئزي مشاعر حدا لازم اول شئ تعملو انك تغير عنوان موقعك. لانو الغالبية العظمى من المسلمين بينظرو الى المسمى بامير الشعراء صاحب مقولة الوقوف ثم البكاء انو كان مملوك من كبير الجن العميل المباشر لابليس الشيطان وهو من يقود الشعراء عجهنم يوم الئيامي حسب اخبار الرسول.

    فانتا باختيارك هادا بتكون عم تستهزئ بمشاعر غالبية المسلمين ربما عن علم او غير علم.

    خلينا نوسع الموضوع اكتر وندخل المسيحيي بالمنائشة. يا هل ترا لو حدا استخدم اسم يهوذا للدلالة على الخياني فهل حيكون عندك اعتراض علي هالاسلوب؟. علما انو هالاستخدام ما زال شائع بين المسيحيي في كتير من البلدان حتى البلدان اللي بتدعي انو الدين المسيحي ما الو تاثير بالسياسي. طبعا جبتلك هالمثل كمئارني مع استخدام المسلمين وحتى بعض المسيحيي العرب لاسم مسيلمة للدلالي على الكزب. بزكر من مدة مش طويلة سمير جعجع استخدم اسم مسيلمة بهالسياق. ما عندي المصدر اوف هاند بس صدقني حصل. وكتير غيرو كمان عملو نفس الشي.

    RPVER,

    You welcome.

    Posted by Passerby | August 17, 2013, 2:57 pm
  37. That’s very funny: اوف هاند haha off hand!
    I think passerby that you may have hit the nail on the head. When you live in the United States, it’s very important to be policially correct in everything that you say and by that of course it means not showing in any way that ones beliefs may differ from those who control the world’s purse strings.

    Posted by rpver | August 17, 2013, 5:30 pm
  38. RPVER,

    I didn’t translate passerbys post, but I agree eith him on HA

    The US has total freedom of ecpression. Of course if you have a minority point of view, you may have explain yourself. For example, who controls the worlds purse strings?

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 17, 2013, 5:55 pm
  39. Interesting comments by Aoun today. Instead of petty name calling here, perhaps we can spend some time analyzing the generals latest. Do his comments mean anything significant? Is the FPM following starting to push Aoun away from HA?
    Or is it just a random comment that we won’t hear again?

    Posted by Bad vilbel | August 17, 2013, 6:45 pm
  40. Passerby I think you’re missing the whole point of this Blog and Comments section.
    التعليقات عادةً عهالصفحة بتضمن تحاليل سياسية – من عدة وجهات نظر ولكن بشكل موضوعي وخالي من ال
    ” x أنا ديني”
    ال ” هل إنت في صندوق 8 أو 14 ؟” و
    والشتائم المحرّضة والخالية من التحليل الموضوعي.

    أنا عادةً بقرأ التحاليل بس ما بعلّق لأنو ما بلاقي شي زيده وما بحب كون الشخص الذي نزّل مستوى المناقشة الفكري… اعتبر نفسك في مناقشة في جامعة، هل كنت استعملت نفس العبارات ؟ ما بفتكر هيدا مكان للعاطفية ولذلك تحبه. فينا نرجّع مستوى النقاش شوي؟ بلا ما نتهجّر من هالصفحة…

    Posted by 87mar | August 17, 2013, 8:46 pm
  41. Aoun started sliding away when Bassil had a public conference with the Saudi ambassador few months ago. 2 reasons; no doubt his constituency reject HA involvement in Syria and their track record on the local scene , I.e. extension of mandates. Secondly, I think the funds are drying up from the Iranian side as Aoun is not viewed as relevant as he was few years ago. Enter the Saudis.

    Posted by Maverick | August 17, 2013, 9:22 pm
  42. Akbar Palace, the Italians of course!

    Posted by rpver | August 18, 2013, 12:45 am
  43. Passerby said:
    “يعني انتا بيظهر انك معترض على منائشة موضوع الدين او الاديان بشكل عام. بس مستحي تئول هيك بصراحة.”

    مش مستحي أبدا. انت اذا حابب نتناقش مسائل دينية بهدوء ورواق ما عندي مانع. و على كل حال هذا شغلي واختصاصي. بس النقاش العلمي الهادئ شي والحكي التحريضي الوقح شي ثاني. انت حديثك من اول ما تفصلت و مدحت سرايا عائشة على مجزرتهم الارهابية لهذه اللحظة كلو سم و شماتة. هذا هو اللي انا معترض عليه. و مضبوط ان “مسيلمة” يتمثل بالكذب و لكن يتمثل أيضا بالكفر و لهذا السبب طلبت منك ان تترك المسبات الدينية عا جنب.

    Passerby said:
    على فكرا ازا انتا ضد موضوع منائشة الدين او انك بتحب تكون حيادي بالموضوع وتحاول ما تئزي مشاعر حدا لازم اول شئ تعملو انك تغير عنوان موقعك. لانو الغالبية العظمى من المسلمين بينظرو الى المسمى بامير الشعراء صاحب مقولة الوقوف ثم البكاء انو كان مملوك من “كبير الجن العميل المباشر لابليس الشيطان وهو من يقود الشعراء عجهنم يوم الئيامي حسب اخبار الرسول

    الهيئة بعدك عم تتفلسف علينا. اذا تحليلك صحيح و اسم امرؤ القيس يئذي مشاعر اغلبية المسلمين طيب فسرلي لو سمحت ليش في الف شرح وتفسير على معلقته الفضيلة و ليش الشعراء الامويين والعباسيين درسوها وتأملوها و بل مدحوها وقلدوها. و حتى اليوم في أي مدرسة ابتدائية في الشرق الأوسط بتلاقي الاولاد حافظين القاصيدة او عل قليل كم بيت منها. فما تحكي لي عن مشاعر الناس و و و و و

    انا موافق معك انو حزب الله غلط بتدخله بسوريا ولكن الفرق بيننا هو انني لن ابرر عملية ارهابية ضد المدنيين مهما كان هدفها الستراتيجي.

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | August 18, 2013, 3:54 am
  44. شوف عيني الله يخليك لا تفلسف علينا بعدك بتلت وبتعيد وبتدعي انو عم بتفلسف عليك لما بالحئيئة انتا اللي عم يتفلسف.. شو يعني بدي اشرحلك كل شي من ورا اللي قلتو عن امرؤ القيس وانتا بتتجاهل المقصود من الكلام؟ انا جبتو كمثل لادحض تناقضاتك. بدك ما تئزي حدا وتاخود موئف حيادي بلش بنفسك. انا ما قلت انو ما في شروحات عامرؤ القيس وغيرو من شعراء الجاهلية وانا شخصيا عندي خبرة واسعة بهالموضوع. بس بدك الناس تكون حيادية بلش بنفسك. هادا هو كان الئصد من ورا زكر انك عمتئزي مشاعر المسلمين.
    عطريئة الهايبربول. بس الحئيئة يمكن ما حدا من المسلمين فارؤ معو هالموقع.

    بعدين حبيبي روحي عيني انا اللي اولتو ما هو سم اكتر من كلام نص ليرة نفسو او ازا بدك متل اخر ما هو سم اكتر من كلام اليسسا اللي قالتو مبارح ادام الالالف بحفلتا اللي رفضت تلغيا على وقع الانفجار.

    انتا عارف انو انا مش باقي بموقعك وما بهمني كل اللي بتؤلو. ارجع لاول رد على اعتراضك اللي شرحتلك في انو انتا اللي بهدلت الموقع بمجرد انك حطيت ابو نص لسان بالموضوع الرئيسي. هو مش غلط بس لانو راح عسوريا. كلامو كلو كلام ولاد شوارع وما حدا بيسمعلو الا ابن شارع. . هيك خطاب بدو هيك لغة لا اكتر ولا اقل.

    بعد بدك شروحات اكتر من هيك؟

    بدك الناس تئرا الممحي بكلامك عمال نفس الشي انتا بكلام الاخرين.

    بعدين صراحة ما عندي وئت للت والعجن.

    هيدي كانت مجرد باست تايم لما شفت كوميديا عباس.

    Posted by Passerby | August 18, 2013, 11:09 am
  45. اهلا وسهلا فيك ان شا الله تبقى عندنا و تعطي رأيك بالطريقة لبتناسبك.

    Next?

    Posted by Qifa Nabki | August 18, 2013, 11:43 am
  46. hahaha الهايبربول

    Posted by rpver | August 18, 2013, 1:37 pm
  47. To PASSERBY,

    I have a question for you and the likes of you. What do you want? What is your ultimate goal? Let’s say abou noss lsein dies tomorrow, HA dismantled, and all its supporters, from Shiaa’s to Christians to Sunnis of the Middle East thrown into the sea, Bashhar and his regime and kronies all dead, Iran and it’s Shiite together with their allies in Iraq are all subdued and have zero power and influence in the world, after all that, what is your plan? What would you like the Middle East or the world you live in to be like?

    Note that this is the kind of question that I always ask to any party, religious or political or military or any combination of those. I have gotten answers or deduced some answers from HA and its supporters, from the LF too, from the FPM, from the Furture Movement, but I have still to get an answer from people who’s only job seems to be to curse at HA 24 hours a day. No really, I would like to know, what is the goal?

    Posted by roger | August 18, 2013, 1:38 pm
  48. Roger,

    I personally would like to see HA decline for a few reasons;
    1) Ideology
    2) Their fascist behaviour
    3) Their arrogance
    4) Their history of involvement in ” Assassinations, kidnappings, and the war in Syria”

    among other reasons…..

    But I would never want to see the scenario in what you have described in the above ” and all its supporters, from Shiaa’s to Christians to Sunnis of the Middle East thrown into the sea..”

    Why does it have to be so dramatic, so black and white? Why is it that we have to be subjected to “either your with us or against us” mentality that we were accustomed to during the US Neo-Con era?

    Since 2005 HA if proven, are found to have a hand in assassinations in the international arena, in the local/regional arena, have repeatedly crapped on all state institutions, and international resolutions, acts like a thug in Lebanon, involves itself completely-mind-body and soul in the Syrian conflict. When any one dares ask a question, they are branded as a tool of a Western backed Imperialist/Zionist plot.
    And Nasrallahs reaction to the latest bombing in his heartland is that we will send more and more men because it is an honourable war defending the people and the land of the region against the Foreign aggressor.
    Only those so taken away by the emotional/romantic view of the Muqawimists can believe such drivel. In all honesty, this reeks of the Neo-cons pre-emptive strike on Iraq for ulterior purposes.

    Sending men to fight the Takfiris in Syria? because if you don’t finish them off there, theyre gonna come to you? Really? please, go back to your Playstations it is obvious everything is a game to you.

    Posted by Maverick | August 18, 2013, 8:59 pm
  49. Looks like Maverick failed the ME IQ test 😉

    Go Maverick!

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 18, 2013, 10:48 pm
  50. Maverick,

    Now that I read your whole post, I see your “dig” against GWB and the dreaded neo-cons. So I can’t resist.

    Coming off 9-11, GWB was at a 90% aproval rating and Americans were rightly calling for blood. Against those promoting terrorism: the Taliban, Saddam Hussein, and everyone in-between. Obama’s political calculation was to prove GWB wrong by destroying GWBs accomplishments.

    Now the Syrians are BEGGING for another GWB and all we get is this lousy T-shirt with BO.

    What a difference a day makes.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 18, 2013, 11:03 pm
  51. Akbar Palace,

    They are not begging for GWB per se, they are calling out for weapons to defend themselves from the regime, and since the regime is aligned with Iran/Russia/China and the rest of the anti-US contingent, who better than the supposed leader of the ‘free world’ to provide them with weapons.
    If Bin Laden sent piles of weapons, he would be the hero du jour.

    As for the whole GWB ‘accomplishments’….. we will agree to disagree.

    Posted by Maverick | August 19, 2013, 1:17 am
  52. who better than the supposed leader of the ‘free world’ to provide them with weapons

    Maverick,

    OK, I agree with that. Because if it was a republican/conservative president like GWB, the weapons would have been coming in from the very beginning.

    GWB gave the Iraqis the ability to create a functioning democracy. Syria, in this sense, is begging for a similar opportunity. The tragedy is that the Iraqis could not deal with it, and they simply cannot protect themselves. I also believe the US and coalition forces should have negotiated a permanent military base similar to the ones we have in Germany and Japan, because right now, Iraq is looking about as failed as Syria.

    In my estimation, the US (and the rest of the world) cannot afford to lose the Syria conflict.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 19, 2013, 7:11 am
  53. To Maverick and Akbar Palace,

    I don’t see how or why you pushed your completely out of subject conversation into this post’s comments!

    “Why does it have to be so dramatic, so black and white?” I doesn’t. I was simply asking Passerby and his likes about their ultimate goals. If it is just to see the demise of HA, like what your goal seems to be, then I pity you for your small minds. I need to know what is the plan they have for the region and how or if Nassralla or HA being an obstacle to that plan’s implementation.

    I don’t really care to defend one party or another. I just want to figure out who’s got more brains and strategy, who’s smarter, because history has proven that the smartest always come out on top and rule, deservedly so.

    Posted by roger | August 19, 2013, 9:45 am
  54. Roger,

    I agree. It is my contention that free elections by the people will determine “who’s got more brains and strategy”. The people are the only ones that know what is best for their country. Part of the difficulty is how arab peoples deal with a split populace. So far, they don’t seem to deal with it very well. I’m hoping that changes.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 19, 2013, 10:01 am
  55. Akbar Palace,

    So the goal is to get to a point where people are free and educated enough to cast a democratic vote?

    Posted by roger | August 19, 2013, 10:41 am
  56. Roger,

    No, I wouldn’t wait “to get to a point where people are…educated enough”. And you HAVE to be free to vote. People who are intelligent, average, and below average intelligence, together, will pick someone they like. If they don’t work out, you vote for someone else.

    Of course, there has to be strict term limits.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 19, 2013, 10:58 am
  57. I really want to know what passerby has to say

    Posted by roger | August 19, 2013, 11:31 am
  58. AP,

    Given the make of the Syrian opposition, i.e. elements of Nusra Front/Al Qaeda -types, I’d be inclined to say that even the Bush admin would have had a tough time deciding on providing weapons since they were trying to ‘rid’ the world of these terrorists. Ironically, it is The Syrian regime now trying to exterminate these terrorists, the same ones it unleashed to Iraq in the last decade. No wonder the Syrian regime and HA are using the same rhetoric as the Neo-Cons of the Bush administration.

    Posted by Maverick | August 19, 2013, 6:19 pm
  59. Roger,

    I apologise for the outburst, I understand the question was intended for Passerby and his type, but it just gets to me how double standards are applied to defend HA. Without going through a laundry list of the party’s belligerent actions, lets just talk about the involvement in Syria.
    What would you expect when HA has committed their ALL in the conflict dragging the whole nation with it? Did anyone believe there would be no repercussions?
    We were led to believe that HA were defending a few villagers against the rebels inside the Lebanese territory, then it was Sayida Zeinab’s shrine, then it was to protect the glorious regime in Damascus against a Zionist/Western plot, then it was for the protection of Palestine. What are we up to now? a pre-emptive strike to rid Syria of terrorists in order to protect Lebanon and the Lebanese? Excuse after excuse after excuse and the masses swallow it whole under the guise of some romanticist notion of honour and pride, with elements of fear mongering and Propaganda when it really isn’t anything else but to keep the regime in Damascus alive to acquiesce to Iran’s interests.
    To protect Iran’s interests and hence its own, it will be brazen enough to drag the Lebanese through the dirt. Bravo!

    Posted by Maverick | August 19, 2013, 6:41 pm
  60. roger,

    what are you looking for? An extremist on the other side to give you fodder to dump on the rest? Why don’t you kindly let us know your thoughts instead of acting as another passer…

    Posted by danny | August 19, 2013, 8:22 pm
  61. Maverick,

    You make a good point. The Syrian opposition (w/o the jihadists) have no fighting skills and no weapons. True. And I suppose our friends from the KSA did what they do best: employ the most radical of Sunni jihadists.

    But I believe if a GWB-type leader was in office, a no fly zone would have been employed and weapons distributed early on.

    A small little drone and one missile could have destroyed an opera house and the whole baathist government sitting inside.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 19, 2013, 9:47 pm
  62. Do people think events in Egypt have much affect on Lebanon?

    Posted by dontgetit | August 19, 2013, 11:11 pm
  63. Maverick, Danny,

    I’ve said it before, I dont care one bit to defend this or that. I am only observing these different parties in this Middle East quagmire. Every party seems to have a story – sort of a mantra that it repeats religiously – to justify its existence and actions. I may believe one or more or none of these stories many of which make for great mythology…

    We have the story of the birth of israel and zionism, the story of the palestinian struggle, the story of birth of the lebanese identity and the christians the levant, the story of HA…

    I understand and support the overthrow of any dictatorship but with a promise for a better substitute, a progressive system. In Syria the stories I heard about stopped short in their goals, overthrow of the current regime. Period. I didnt hear any talk about what comes next. Meanwhile, the hatred just intensifies. How on earth could any middle ground be found when we have parties in the conflict that have no future plans declared.

    Posted by Roger | August 19, 2013, 11:13 pm
  64. Roger,
    The rebels declared their plans, after the ouster of Assad, some want a democracy and others want a return to the Islamic Khilafa. we are seeing this in all the “Arab Spring” countries, unfortunately, those who want a modern liberal democracy are a minority in a sea of barbarians, like our buddy Passerby.

    Posted by Vulcan | August 20, 2013, 4:23 am
  65. Vulcan,

    Thanks.

    Posted by roger | August 20, 2013, 9:46 am
  66. Incitement to Violence and Murder NewZ

    From the BBC:

    Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood condemns the arrest of its leader Mohammad Badie over allegations of incitement to violence and murder.

    Funny how that law goes into effect when the “incitement” is against the government.

    When the incitement is against Israel, it is welcomed and encouraged. q:o(

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 20, 2013, 2:13 pm
  67. The ME’s Most Famous Hand NewZ

    The United States condemned comments by Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan accusing Israel of having a hand in the Egyptian military’s overthrow of president Mohamed Morsi, a White House spokesman said on Tuesday.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4420261,00.html

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 20, 2013, 3:49 pm
  68. …Ap…and your point is?

    Posted by danny | August 20, 2013, 4:29 pm
  69. Danny,

    My point is this: If you play with matches, your going to get burned. Teaching people to hate for 65 years isn’t doing society any favors.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 20, 2013, 6:30 pm
  70. AP,

    Who are you talking about? Israelis(Jews living in Israel? or Turks)???

    Here’s what my sentiments were after the grand supreme leader’s latest rant; expressed more eloquently. 😀

    https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/newsandpolitics/hassan-you-are-cordially-invited

    Posted by danny | August 21, 2013, 7:53 am
  71. Danny,

    I’m not talking about you or Maya Gebeily or any other MEerner who is pro-freedom, I’m referrring to those that always have to find a Kufar, Joo or Jihad behind every door.

    Erdogan is a great example with his remark yesterday. Then there are the militants (Hamas, Hezbollah, Al-Queda, etc, etc) and the clerics who follow suit. My feeling is those who are pro-freedom are out-numbered 10 to 1. I’m hoping we can work to make that ration 1:1…

    http://www.ynetnews.com/home/0,7340,L-3083,00.html

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 21, 2013, 10:54 am
  72. Too bad the Syrian oppostion and the GOI are not on speaking terms…

    http://www.vice.com/vice-news/israels-killer-robots

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 21, 2013, 11:22 am
  73. AP,

    There’s hatred on both sides! I guess you have not been the the bearded, long robed wonders in Jerusalem who spit at anything non Jewish…They control the balance of power in the cabinet and Israel. So let’s not blame one side only about having hatred.

    Posted by danny | August 21, 2013, 7:42 pm
  74. **Sorry..”…you have not seen…”

    Posted by danny | August 21, 2013, 7:43 pm
  75. Danny, the ultra orthodox are actually not in the cabinet or the coalition this time around and they do not control the balance of power in Israel.

    Posted by AIG | August 21, 2013, 11:25 pm
  76. Danny,

    Of course there are religious fanatics in Israel. But they do not run their own militia outside of the IDF, and they aren’t part of the Hebrew media. Those in govt who espouse racist views have been ousted like Meir Kahana. Religious influence in govt has been wanning, as they are finally being asked to do military service.

    Arabs are free to set up websites like MEMRI and post racist articles from the Hebrew press.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 21, 2013, 11:25 pm
  77. Meanwhile in Damascus,

    It gets more sickening by the day, enough to invoke the memory of Pol Pot

    Posted by Maverick | August 22, 2013, 3:18 am
  78. Yes, and Obama and his “red-line” is now officially BS.

    And his “humanitarian” effort in Libya was merely a training exercise, because when the shiite hits the fan, Obama is nowhere to be found.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 22, 2013, 6:55 am
  79. AIG,

    I know there are not in the government for the first time in over at least 10-15 years…but they still yield immense power and hate against anything “goyim”…

    Posted by danny | August 22, 2013, 6:57 am
  80. Maybe you are right AP,

    I’m beginning to think that it might have been a different story if they were more decisive from the get go. The only other question would be what would have Russia, Iran and even China done if the West pressed for more effective measures.

    Posted by Maverick | August 22, 2013, 8:18 am
  81. …but they still yield immense power and hate against anything “goyim”…

    Danny,

    Do you have a slew of information supporting your claim? Show us all those statements these people have made showing their “hate against anything “goyim”. You may find a few articles of the past several decades.

    “Immense power” is relative. Certainly they don’t have nearly the power HA has in Lebanon.

    Maverick,

    There is no black or white answer or “silver bullet” when is comes to the ME and Syria (in this case). I just know one thing, whereas, Obama doesn’t feel comforatble using military power, conservatives and republicans are more likely to use it to further our interests AND use it without the UN’s permission. I am for a no-fly zone in Syria. I think it would be low risk.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 22, 2013, 9:49 am
  82. When Everybody is Afraid to Act, that’s the time to Jump In NewZ

    Samantha Powers (and the Obama Administration): Out to Lunch

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/22/newly-confirmed-un-ambassador-absent-from-syria-emergency-meeting/

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 22, 2013, 12:01 pm
  83. QN,

    Should AP receive a warning for quoting from Foxnews? no offence AP 🙂

    Posted by Maverick | August 22, 2013, 5:40 pm
  84. Fox News is the only news source I trust.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 22, 2013, 7:10 pm
  85. AP,

    Seriously? Just ggogle the instances where these morons spit and beat up Christian priests in Jerusalem as well desecrating and urinating on their tombstones….I really don’t have time to go back and forth. Yalla lakhayem

    Posted by danny | August 22, 2013, 9:12 pm
  86. Danny,

    What exactly are we comparing? If the issue is “hate”, is it hate from govt officials or hate by ordinary civilians? Because there are no jews in Lebanon (and most of the arab world), it comes from the political class only.

    In Israel, the hate comes in various forms from ordinary citizens and the anti-zionist arab MKs.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 22, 2013, 10:33 pm
  87. In Lebanon there’s no government hatred towards Israel either…Not even citizenry as no one gives a damn. As for HA/Al Qaeda types; well these are two franchises who employ people.

    Let’s not try to split hairs. If Israel were fair; the Palestinian issue would have vanished long ago. They always have been arrogant and ruthless! Don’t expect that people who have been displaced from their ancestral homeland (Palestinians; just in case you get confused) just because the Western powers decided to grant Jews with a homeland; to thank you and send you gifts!

    Posted by danny | August 23, 2013, 7:20 am
  88. In Lebanon there’s no government hatred towards Israel either

    OK, I’ll take your word for it. I sometimes confuse HA with the Lebanese government.

    http://www.memri.org/lebanon-news-articles.html

    If Israel were fair; the Palestinian issue would have vanished long ago.

    Danny,

    I think Israel has been fair. Arrogant, maybe. Ruthless? In what way? Speaking of “ruthless”, after seeing what arabs do to each other in Syria, Israelis know what will happen if the IDF weren’t around to protect them.

    Don’t expect that people who have been displaced…

    There are no expectations. Two people claim the same land. It is up to each side to determine if fighting is worthwhile or negotiating land for peace is the better alternative.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 23, 2013, 9:36 am
  89. And now it seems we’re back to car bombs. 1976-1989 redux….

    (And who hasn’t seen this coming for at least 5 years now?)

    Posted by Bad Vilbel | August 23, 2013, 2:10 pm
  90. I don’t know. The post-Tripoli pronouncements from various high test Lebanese public figures seems grimly focused on unity vs terrorist threats, sect be damned. Or am I hallucinating?

    The US embassy re-ups it’s message to it’s citizens to get out of Dodge; “we can’t be relied upon to save you, homies.”

    But more alarming is the eager glee with which some humanitarian democratizing saviors are tweeting about the US military/diplomatic/administration/? moves to, they most fervently hope, send cruise missiles into Syria:

    https://twitter.com/lrozen

    What then of the potential blood spillover blowback given an American-led assault on Syria?

    Posted by lally | August 24, 2013, 12:14 am
  91. Lally,

    I think there’s already “blood spillover” even w/o America. Anyway, I’d love to get your take on the Hezbo and Iran-led assault on Syria if you’re up to it.

    Posted by Akbar Palace | August 24, 2013, 12:52 am
  92. “What then of the potential blood spillover blowback given an American-led assault on Syria?

    potential? How much more blood until they see “red”.

    The Status Quo will see by the end of the year, the figures into the 200,000 dead, millions displaced, destruction beyond repair not to mention the neighbouring countries’ potential to collapse under the pressure, i.e. Lebanon.

    Time for the West to do what it does best.

    Posted by Maverick | August 24, 2013, 1:04 am

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